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Greg · Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 7 Born: 9 June 1959 Gender: Male

Anybody here ever read by Dr. Greg Ellis, "The Net Carb Scam and the Hazards of Carbohydrates." I've read many books on the high fat diet, but this is the first book that I've read that explains the biochemical process that happens in the body when one consumes a mixed diet (carbs, fat, protein) and how the body works on a high fat diet. It also explains that a meal as small as 30 grams of carbs will shut down the bodies ability to burn fat for 6-8 hours.

The other book is by Dr. Doug McGuff and John Little called Body By Science. It explains how little exercise we need and how excessive exercise can cause more harm than good. Try http://www.bodybyscience.net for more info. I've talked at length with both Dr.McGuff and Dr. Ellis and they have some quite takes on diet and exercise.

Greg

Dean · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:22 am Post subject:

Thanks for posting this, Greg. Cool

Haven't read these. Will have to check them out. They sound really informative. Yup

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jeff · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject:

I also have not, but thanks. They both look very interesting.
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Moon · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:15 am Post subject:

Here's some interesting food for thought (well, maybe...I'm sort of interested :))

Lately I've started thinking about food, time and the human body as operating more in a constant-forward flow. This makes things such as body weight rather arbitrary, as it can fluctuate by as much as 10 lbs over the course of a day (owing to sodium levels, water retention, weight of food and amount of digestion, etc.)

I think that the trap a lot of dieters (and maybe even some nutritionists/doctors?) get into is in conceiving food/calories as these static, measureable objects where you get X allotment every day, and depending on what dietary goals you set for yourself, you can distribute your food values willy nilly and not have it matter as long as the day's totals are met.

For example, I might come up with a fat & protein goals that would be met by my having a stick of butter for breakfast, and a pound of fat-free turkey breast for dinner, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to feel especially well after either of these meals, since I think they're overwhelming the body with an amount of macronutrient that's not balanced.

In the same way, I think that deciding you're going to have, say, 50 carbs a day, which goal you then decide to accomplish by eating meat only all day long and then topping it off with a hunk of chocolate cake every night...I personally think that's recipe for fat-storage disaster. I don't have evidence to back this up, and maybe I'm wrong, but it's just my guess...? So I guess that's what I'm getting at, where the book author makes sense to me in writing "that a meal as small as 30 grams of carbs will shut down the body's ability to burn fat for 6-8 hours", but that I think you can eat 30 carbs (and up) over the course of a day as long as it's more spaced out and you account for your own body's metabolic rate in how quickly/efficiently it can use carbs.

I think it's probably healthier to think of food in the context of an energy source where, if you're eating carbs, you can't overwhelm your system in one go - it's more like, you can eat a limited amount of carbs in one sitting and not have it negatively affect you, and if you allow enough time to progress so you burn the carbs off, it allows your body to reset and be able to handle taking in another small portion of carbs.

Um...I'm not sure if that's what you were getting at or if this is entirely relevant. Sorry if I got all tangentical Oops

I recall some other thread where I think Dean said something to the effect of what I'm trying to get at (he probably said it much more directly, lol), where the statement "a calorie is a calorie is a calorie" just doesn't work, and that all a calorie is is a measure of how much heat it takes to raise a certain amount of water to a certain secondary temperature. But when people think of food as having calories, they get so wrapped up in the math that they don't consider that in the real world, trying to apply those oh-so-important numbers to the human body (which we still don't have half a clue as to figuring out all of its mysterious inner workings) is messy and that 2+2 will not always equal 4.

...ok, think I'm done, LOL

I've got bronchitis and am on some pretty strong cough medicine, which I think has made me a little loopier than normal Bonkers

Sorry if I hijacked your thread with irrelevant natterings!

Dean · Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:

Don't be sorry, Moon. We appreciate good hijackings around here. It's such a trip to wake up at the back of the Bus and wonder where the hell we are. Wink

The thing you are saying about carbs is very true. If you eat a lot at once, there is a bigger spike in insulin that will surely last longer. There is also more tissue damage done by that dietary (excess) glucose and accompanying insulin. Also, there is cellular damage to consider. When cells use byproducts of glycolysis (glucose metabolism) as substrates for ATP production inside the mitochondria, it is not the same as using FFAs or ketones, which is what is preferential to these cells. It has been shown that using these byproducts of glycolysis can cause the formation of free radicals, coming from the electron transport system in the mitochondrial membrane. This was not what nature intended. So, you see, there's more to the picture than simply weight issues, although that seems to be what everyone focuses so heavily on. Roll Eyes

Oh, and you should try some Kool-Aid for that cough. The latest batch that Shawn brought in the other day might just do the trick. Either way, I think it will get your mind off... well, let's just leave it at that. Wow

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!