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Dave · Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 616 Gender: Male

http://www.fearandloathingintheki...resistance-explained-and-why.html

Great Blog Post by Tracy! Thumbs Up

jeff · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:

An interesting read. But I have to strongly disagree with this part:

Dean · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject:

I've heard this before. And, I think they may be referring to longer cardio sessions, perhaps... but not necessarily. This is why, I believe, there is the advice to limit these HIIT cardio sessions to 20 minutes and only twice per week. Cortisol is catabolic. It is the major corticosteroid. It is responsible for about 95% of all glucocorticoid activity in the body. It is not necessarily all bad. It has it's place in physiology. But, excess amounts can cause problems.

I think one should be aware of the fact that it also will rise on a low carb diet. So, if also doing HIIT, one could be getting too much. And, sleeping less than 9 or 10 hours a day also will raise the levels. And coffee consumption will also raise it. Coffee and alcohol consumption will add to dehydration. That's when cortisol will be at it's worst. Now, there are certain counter physiological agents to it, but it is something to be aware of.
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jeff · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

These signs.......

Dean · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject:

Well... you may not be experiencing immediate indicators, but, I would be a bit concerned about it. Enough to perhaps limit your cardio a bit, and the other factors, etc. I doubt you will start consuming carbs, but that is even more reason to be concerned... that was my only point.

And... you need to setup a biochem lab in your home... start drawing your blood and testing all of this! Get with the program, jeff! LOL

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jeff · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:09 am Post subject:

Steve · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:07 am Post subject:

I think the writer was talking of long steady state aerobic, which can be extremely catabolic(can you even scrape a cup of muslce off of these long distance runners?) does lower ones immunities and does considerable damage to the heart.

I think HIIT is best not done everyday. 2- 3 times a week is plenty.

I fone can do it for more thatn 20 minutes then they need to up the intensity..or they are just a stud with lots of fast oxidative type- 2 muscle fibers

More effort should be used in the weight room to build muscle..I also like to throw in some bodyweight type of intervals for variety.

Over the last few years there have been more cases of sudden death of enduranse athletes..Ironman, triathletes and long distance runners.

I have mentioned this before, but 6 weeks before I got married I did a body recomposition type of workout..little rest between sets,heavy weights and for 4 days a week..and absolutely no cardio

I lost close to 20lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle..Now yes some can be attributed to muscle memory,but it was the best gains I had ever achieved.

I achieved this through the Gh/Lactic Acid phenomenon..my lactate was so high, I would throw up my post workout shake until my body would adjust to the intensity of the workout.

If done properly and efficiently, you can lose weight just by lifting alone. And yes your circulatory system will be markedly improved..And your body composition is favorably geared to muscle.

I've seen alot of professional athletes train..I've never seen any of them do cardio.

of course training camp is a whole other issue.

If anyone would be interested in a sample workout I'd be happy to post.

jeff · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject:

Steve · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject:

Jeff, you are the exception to the rule. I think that cardio done for an hour is long steady state..and I feel it is totally unecessary,

If one is doing cardio for an hour, then they are not working out hard..it just can't be done if so. Again there are exceptions..

but cardio should be intense and brief..20 minutes tops.

I see nothing wrong if someone were to go for a long walk or hike(which I do here in the Az desert),but that is not a part of my core routine.

Most of ones effort and energy should be used on weightlifting, trying to build muscle. To do that, you must recover. Our bodies ability to recuperate from a workout is finite. So cardio and aerobics must take a back seat to the weight room

jeff · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject:

Dan · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 207 Gender: Male

Steve · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject:

Amen Dan..

I can't even begin to tell you how many people tell me of their weight problems and how they stay the same yet they walk everyday,swim,do spinning or any of these low impact workout DVDs..they really like doing them,but see no results.

I think we touched on this before,but people must learn to live outside their comfort zone..must.

I don't mean one should kill themselve every workout,but workouts must progress,you must challenge yourself..then you will see your body change.

I ask people on how much weight they use for a particular excercise. A woman that I know told em "I use 10lbs for 15 reps and I do 3 sets"

I ask "how long have you been using this weight?" she says "Over a year". I ask her if she has seen any progress. Her answer 'Nope"

so we upped the weight,dropped the reps and the rest time between her sets and she can now curl a 35lb db for multiple sets..and she has some nice guns now..all over a 2month time span. I think she could get close to 45lbs now for a couple.

I got an e-mail from a young lady who is now deadlifting 270lbs!! Now that is progression..she worked hard to get there and she pushed herself

Losing weight is the easy part of the equation..putting on muscle ..that is the hard part

Dan · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 207 Gender: Male

Yeah. I think cardio is close to useless. If one does heavy compound movements with minimal rest between sets, they will get all the cardio benefits they can stomach.

I know my heart is beating in my throat after deadlifts.

The most important thing for me was keeping logs, and always trying to add reps/weight/or both. The other important thing I found was eating more. Getting fat and getting muscular are similar in that you have to overeat.

When I used to go to Bally's I would always see people "launching and catching" weights. Pathetic. One fellow would do leg extensions with such a light weight, you'd think he was trying to ring the bell on the hammer strength test at a carnival...

Steve · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:

Well who knows more than you Dan?? Not many in my book

I'm sure you know this young lady very well,,

Dan · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 207 Gender: Male

Maybe its just a coincidence, Steve.

Dean · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject:

After reading "Lights Out", I was concerned with intense cardio, cuz she said that was so catabolic... because of cortisol levels. Her ideas were that humans never did that type of exercise. She was a big advocate of resistance training. Because of the pounding on my body while running, I opted to just do walking. I realized then and realize now that this type of "exercise" is more for mental relaxation or something, but I still think there are some health benefits to it... like moving blood and lymph for one.

I think jeff has chosen to not want his body to be really big like a body builder... and he enjoys running. I am sorta afraid of it for several reasons, and also think it was not really that much of a part of our past as a species. Perhaps at times we ran hard for a bit, to chase down game... but, I think long distance walking was something we did a lot of. So, how can walking or hiking be catabolic? Perhaps nobody is saying that it is, but if they are, please explain.

I enjoy both resistance workouts (including body weight stuff) as well as walking/hiking. Running is fun to an extent, but, I really prefer walking on my treadmill to get an intense HIIT workout. I enjoy that a lot more. I guess I would agree that 20 minutes of HIIT 2-3 times a week might be good, but, the stuff in "Lights Out" really freaked me out. And, I totally agree that resistance workouts are the best type of exercise, and very necessary for good health.
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Steve · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject:

Oh I don't feel that hiking and walking are catabolic at all.. I just don't think they are very effective as excercises go. Sure they have their place and yes it is better than nothing, but I have seen a crap load of people not get the body they want with these "cardio" excercises

Or lose the weight they want,,even on low carbs.

Dean I'm not suggesting anyone to look like Arnold. Anyone who picks up a weight to change the look of their body is a bodybuilder.

And you would not believe how hard it is to ever obtain that look without super genetics and drugs.

I love the book lights out..and I am a big believer in shunting cortisol,but I feel 20 minutes tops of any kind of HIIT is not going to make one catabolic.

But an hour run or a 3 hour strenuous hike will..