Location: Madison, WI Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 116 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle?
Has anybody here looked into this guy or tried out his methods?
Here's part of the e-newsletter I just got today. Sure does sound convincing to a person trying and trying to get rid of the last 15 ... What do you guys think?
Quote:
This is only a small sample of what you'll learn in "Super Lean"
* Why the last 10 lbs is almost always harder to lose than
the first 10
* Step by step instructions on how to use the powerful
"carb cycling" method
* The health-bodyfat paradox: My new theorem on how to achieve the
ultimate balance between health and leanness.
* How the "anti starvation hormone" prevents you from getting
lean and how to boost your hormone levels naturally
* The truth about fat loss plateaus - why fat loss really stops
* How to break any fat loss plateau even if you haven't lost
a pound for months and even if you have a sluggish metabolism
* Why most people lose muscle along with the fat and how to
keep every ounce of your precious lean tissue
* Advanced "peaking methods" to look "ripped" for photo shoots,
transformation contests, or fitness, figure and bodybuilding
* Two natural herbs that eliminate water retention and make your
muscles look more defined overnight.
* How you can eat chocolate or pizza and still get six pack abs
* The VERY surprising truth about the "clean eating debate"
* And much more... on 2 hours of MP3 audio and 2 e-book transcripts
From now until Midnight (PST), February 13th, you can get a copy
of the "Super Lean" seminar absolutely f-r-e-e when you purchase
the Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle e-book from:
I liked Body for Life, and did one full challenge. I still weight train and do HIIT according to its principles.
I also bought the e-Book of Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle, and read it voraciously (his pitch sounded so good). Not sure why, but I know I didn't go along with his opinions. I'll take a look at it sometime today and give you a little more information on what I didn't like. _________________ "Truth does not depend on a consensus of opinion." ... Anonymous
"Caution. I'm out of estrogen, and I've got a gun." ... BawdyWench
"I'm still HOT!!! Only now it comes in flashes." ... BawdyWench
He recommends 5 to 6 meals a day, and a 500- to 1000-calorie deficit per day. He likes cardio a LOT. Says to lose weight, you should start with 30 minutes of cardio three times a week. If you're not losing, you should first increase the length of the cardio by 5 to 10 minutes at a time, working up to 60 minutes three times a week. If that doesn't work, increase the intensity of the workouts. If that doesn't work, increase the number of days you do 60 minutes. He even goes so far as to say to do the cardio twice a day. He also advocates HIIT to break a plateau.
He also recommends calipers to measure progress, not BMI, weight, etc.
He designs exercise programs according to body type: endomorph, ectomorph, mesomorph, and combinations thereof.
For ectomorphs (tall and skinny) he recommends a diet high in complex carbs, and keeping cardio to a minimum.
For mesomorphs (he calls these "the genetic freaks"; lean and muscular), he pretty much says these people are gifted and doesn't recommend much in terms of nutrition and exercise, at least not in the section I'm looking at now.
For endomorphs (slow metabolism, easy to gain weight) he recommends high protein, medium to low carbs (similar to the Zone diet). Intense cardio is a must, up to an hour 7 days a week.
He's definitely a calories-in/calories-out kind of guy.
Says whole foods are best, but also recommends protein shakes but not protein bars.
As for nutrition, he says to always eat lean protein and carbs together, and in one place recommends the ratios 40/30/30 for protein/fat/carbs. But, he says, no one forumla will work for everyone. In the end, it's the calories that count. Later in the same chapter he changes his mind and says the best place to start is with 50-55% carbs, 30% protein, and 15-20% fat.
He also says high-fat diets (40 - 70% fat) are bad for you, and that saturated fat causes serious health problems:
Quote:
Dietary fats DO get stored as body fat more readily than other types of macronutrients. This isn’t just due to the high calories, it’s because the process of converting dietary fat into body fat is chemically very easy. Body fat is made of glycerol and fatty acids. Dietary fat is made of glycerol and fatty acids. There’s no costly energy conversion that has to take place. This makes dietary fat very easy to store. Too much of
anything gets stored as fat, but foods such as lean proteins and complex carbohydrates must go thorough a metabolically costly process to be converted into body fat.
Says you need 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, as a rule, or simply 30% protein.
Says to eat fruit in moderation, but focus more on natural fibrous and starchy carbohydrates. Also says starch is the storage form of energy in plants, much like glycogen is an energy storage form in human muscle. Starchy carbohydrates are found in potatoes, cereals, grains, bread, pasta, rice, oats, wheat and beans. Your body is able to completely absorb
and digest all the caloric energy in starches, therefore the calorie density of starch is higher than fibrous carbohydrates.
That about sums it up. He characterizes his plan as restricted carb. To someone who has never eaten LC, this definitely would be a step in the right direction. He says "very low carb" eating is dangerous. I won't go into the details, since we've all heard it all by now. Strangely, though, he doesn't define "very low" carb. I guess it would be anything less than the 50 - 55% carbs he recommends.
Oh, and lots of emphasis on high and low days in terms of calories. For a women, for example, he advocates 3 days of 1400 calories with ratios of 45/30/25 (protein, carbs, fat) and 1 day of 1800 calories with ratios of 30/50/20.
He also recommends 45 to 60 minutes of weight training 3 to 4 days a week TO START. Combined with the 60 minutes of cardio a day, that's a lot of working out. Too much, to my thinking.
On another board, there were many people for whom this plan worked. I didn't like it. The higher levels are carbs were counter-productive to me, and I felt that doing intense cardio for 60 minutes 7 days a week was too much.
Does that answer all your questions? _________________ "Truth does not depend on a consensus of opinion." ... Anonymous
"Caution. I'm out of estrogen, and I've got a gun." ... BawdyWench
"I'm still HOT!!! Only now it comes in flashes." ... BawdyWench
Location: south central OR Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 183 Born: 3 October 1951 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject:
that's the typical 'eat low fat, high carb, work your ass off and hope for results. that is too much work for me. i also don't think cardio is all it's cracked up to be.
Which is why I was so disappointed when I actually read the e-Book. His pitch (shown in the first post) is very convincing. But, as I said, it worked for several people I "knew" online. _________________ "Truth does not depend on a consensus of opinion." ... Anonymous
"Caution. I'm out of estrogen, and I've got a gun." ... BawdyWench
"I'm still HOT!!! Only now it comes in flashes." ... BawdyWench
A number of people are currently doing Weight Watchers and actually having a lot of success in their first weeks. My boss's boss (male) lost 10 pounds in 2 weeks, though his wife didn't do nearly as well. He didn't say how much. _________________ "Truth does not depend on a consensus of opinion." ... Anonymous
"Caution. I'm out of estrogen, and I've got a gun." ... BawdyWench
"I'm still HOT!!! Only now it comes in flashes." ... BawdyWench
Location: Colorado Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 240 Born: 7 September 1963 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:
I inspired a friend of mine to try low carb. She has lost 7 pounds in 2 weeks :D
I went to drop some stuff at her office the other day and all the other people in the office didn't recognize me at first..they hadn't seem me since my weight loss :D
So now my friend that I converted has everyone at the office asking how I lost the weight and how she is losing.
As soon as hubby gets done reading Good Calories Bad Calories, I am dropping it off for them. _________________ http://wifezillasway.blogspot.com/
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject:
wifezilla wrote:
I knew a girl who lost 80 pounds taking speed. I don't recommend that either :D
Good one, zilla!
Yah, cutting carbs out of one's diet has a LOT more to do with overall health than it does with simply losing weight. I actually believe that the healthiest way to eat is very high animal fat, but THAT is probably one of the hardest ways to lose weight.
What a pickle we modern humans have gotten ourselves into.
Barring speed (Fen-phen), I think some people may have to resort to unnatural eating &/or activity to get the weight off, or be very patient with it. But, once you get to a good weight, it's great to know that you can eat all that nutritious animal fat, and not have to worry about counting calories or anything, as long as you keep carbs low, which is going to improve your health immensely. Excess glucose from carb consumption is probably THE number one reason for health problems. That this excess glucose from eating carbs is so foreign to our bodies in the way they evolved, that should come as no surprise. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Sunny Florida Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 7 Born: 27 March 1965 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:
jem51 wrote:
that's the typical 'eat low fat, high carb, work your ass off and hope for results. that is too much work for me. i also don't think cardio is all it's cracked up to be.
cardio is not the best way to lose weight. In order of effectiveness it's:
High Intensity Interval Training
Weight Lifting
Cardio
and I think cutting carbs is probably better than cardio. I went from 205 to 180 in just over two months by going zero carb (no excersize). My fiancee was pissed because she couldn't keep up. I was within 5 lbs of her before she decided maybe she could do without the bowl of cereal in the morning after all.
(Trying to find a link to the study that ranked them in that order)
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