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Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: April Carnivore Contest

April Carnivore Contest

All foods should be as natural, fresh, and whole as possible. Animal fat should be kept high, 60-80% of calories, and carbs should be kept as low as possible. The cleaner one eats and the closer they get to an exclusive raw animal diet, the more points they can rack up. The goal is not to be perfect, but to see how close you can get to our ancestor's diet.

Allowed
* any part of any animal (including processed meat)
* eggs
* dairy
* vegetation
* olive/nut oil
* condiments, seasoning, AS
* beverages

Shock

>>> To get any points you must have only what's Allowed and remain under 20g carbs. <<< Shock

If you have something not allowed or go over 20g carbs you are out for the day, you get zero points.

Add up your points each day. You can get up to 5 points per day. Cool

One point for each, for having:
- only allowed items + under 20g carbs
- no alcohol + no AS
- no vegetation + no oil
- no processed meat + no dairy (except butter)
- some raw animal part / raw egg

So, for instance, if you had no vegetation and no oil during the day, you would get ONE point for abstaining from those items... or if you had no alcohol and no AS, you would get ONE point for not having those things... or if you had no dairy and no processed meat that day, there's another ONE point.

You can get up to FIVE points per day.

Sunny

Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:38 am Post subject:

E got me thinking about how to bring all these April Contests together. I think I've come up with a nice solution.

Here is a way we can merge all these April Carnivore Contests into one thread, and, as E alluded to, give the most points (incentive) to those who eat as carnivorously as possible.

I've developed a rubric where participants can get 1-5 points for each day they stick to the Allowed list (a pretty liberal list). The more one moves toward eating just clean raw cuts of animals, giving up rubbish and cow pus, the more points they can rack up. It will really be interesting to see how many points some can accumulate. There are 150 points possible. On a group level there could be massive amounts of points.

One thing I thought would be cool, is if we could split the group of participants (at random) into two groups. I can use random.org to do that. This way, we could have two groups competing, which would make it fun.

Let me know what y'all think of this. Do you want three different wings, or one big party? Cool

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Kristelle · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject:

One big party is fine with me. The bigger, the better. Grin

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Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

The first two posts of this thread have been updated.

I think this thing will be fairly simple. People can rack up points for compliance as well as extra things, like avoiding rubbish, cow pus, etc.

So, who wants in this contest? One big party in one wing. We can divide into two groups (randomly assigned participants) to get some competition goin', if we want.

Who's in? Cool

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Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject:

April Carnivore Contest
Bobi..................0
Dean.................0
Diane................0
Erasmus...........0
Heather............0
jem51...............0
Kim...................0
Kristi31.............0
mae_west........0
Regina..............0
SandyDown......0
Tracy.................0
Valcan...............0
Vesna...............0

Total.................0

How does this look? All of us in the same wing. Somebody please pass the Kool-Aid! Wow

Depending on how many participants we get, we can split into two groups and have some competitive fun! Grin

If you want in (or out), just say the word! Cool

One thing's for sure. The Boot Babes are gonna be quite busy keepin' this crew in line! Devil

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Gordon · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 1 Gender: Male

I'm in can you add me to the list

Thanks
Gordon

Bobi · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

Waaaaah!!! I need my 5 cherry tomatoes a day!!!! Waaaah!!!! I need my coffee with heavy cream once a day!!!! Rib eyes and chicken, YAY!!! Raw!!!!! Hate nuts!! Hate oils of any kind!!! How am I gonna get any points!!!!!! Sad

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Valcan · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject:

Thanks for adding me in!!

I love the idea of one big group!

Val

Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject:

Bobi · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject:

Just realized that it's only the 15th of March...maybe I'll be sick of tomatoes, and skip the cream. I never drank anything but black coffee for years!!! I CAN do it!! WILL do it!!! Grin

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Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject:

Wow, Bobi! 5 for 5! Now, I really hope you end up on my team! Yup

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Bobi · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:

DONE!!!!

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Billi-Jean · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:39 am Post subject:

This sounds like fun, I'm in!!! Cool

One group or two, I don't mind (I think the team thing does sound good for a few giggles though!)

Dean · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:23 am Post subject:

April Carnivore Contest
Billi-Jean...........0
Bobi..................0
Dean.................0
Diane................0
Erasmus...........0
Gordon.............0
Heather............0
jem51...............0
Kim...................0
Kristi31.............0
mae_west........0
Regina..............0
SandyDown......0
Tracy................0
Valcan..............0
Vesna...............0

Total.................0

Alright, Billi-Jean! Slid ya in right up there at the top! Wink

So glad you could join us. It'll be a blast! Cool

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Billi-Jean · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:11 am Post subject:

oh goodie, just the way I like it! Devil

(oops! wrong thread... )

J/K (well, half kidding, anyway! Wink

)

Loops · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject:

Alright Dean -

count me in on this! Should be easy - I don't 'go off plan' anyway apart from the cow gum - which I'm trying to ditch completely - that stuff is like heroin for me.

Loops

Lynne · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:

i see VLC on the dairy...

i have a bowl of greek yogurt from time to time...
would that delete me?

other than that.....
i am pretty much pure paleo...
i don't eat my meat raw, though.

count me in, dean.
ty for finding me! :)

one more thing... almond meal, pecan meal.. allowed or not?
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Kim · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:

I'm in. I don't drink alcohol so that's extra points already. I can also skip vegies.

Kim

Dean · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:

April Carnivore Contest
Billi-Jean...........0
Bobi..................0
Dean.................0
Diane................0
Erasmus...........0
Gordon.............0
Heather............0
jem51...............0
Kim...................0
Kristi31.............0
Loops...............0
lynnedear.........0
mae_west........0
Regina..............0
SandyDown......0
Tracy................0
Valcan..............0
Vesna...............0

Total.................0

Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:45 am Post subject:

Allowed
* any part of any animal (natural clean cuts)
* eggs
* unsalted butter
* seasoning, ZC condiments
* water

This will be my April foods. I'm goin' for 5 points a day, for a total of 150 for the month. Anyone with me? Cool

It's basically meat and eggs with some seasoning to jazz it up, and butter to up the fat.

I'm also gonna eat a lot of raw meat and eggs, to start gettin' the hang of that. Wink

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Kim · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject:

So the way I am reading this, you would still get all 5 points if you included salt and did not include the rest of the disallowed?

Kim

Heather L · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

Dean- Count me in for this one. I like the point system, since it allows for some carnivore days and some with veggies, etc. Great idea. Seperate teams or all together... either seems good to me.

Erasmus · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

I'm shooting for 120.

I think it would be cool if all of our happy contestants posted their point goals before the contest starts.

Be sure to pick a number that would be a challenge. Wink

I figured 110 would be about right, so I added 10 to make it a challenge.

-E
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Kristelle · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:

I'm aiming for at least 145 points but I should be able to reach 150. Any extra point for eating raw?!
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Tracy · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:

Awesome idea! I am aiming for 100 points. I also added 10 to what seemed reasonable, given my tendencies ;)

Going to really make an effort to just use butter. Cream from time to time. Cheese - rarely if at all. Sigh. I did it before, I can do it again.

Question - what should I count coconut milk as, veg or VLC "dairy"? Or condiment, since I use it in tea? Hmm.

Another question - berries, count as VLC veg? :)

BTW Dean, I will comply with whatever you say. I aspire to total obedience. Shock

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Erasmus · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject:

Coconut milk is 50% oil and some carbs and a ton of fibre. In the quantities you're talking about I would consider it a "nut oil".

Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

April Carnivore Contest
Billi-Jean...........0
Bobi..................0
Dean.................0
Diane................0
Erasmus...........0
Gordon.............0
Heather............0
Heather L.........0
jem51...............0
Kim...................0
Kristi31.............0
Loops...............0
lynnedear.........0
mae_west........0
Regina..............0
SandyDown......0
Tracy................0
Valcan..............0
Vesna...............0

Total.................0

Erasmus · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:

Hmmmm.....

I vote No change in points but a 100% raw day is 5 point day as long as you are "on the list". If it's pasteurized it's not raw.

-E

Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

Say what?

Are you talkin' raw rubbish?! LOL

E, the idea behind this is to allow folks a gradual change to a more and more carnivore eating regimen. So, just gettin' in a bit of raw animal/eggs now and then will help one get used to it.

I think I'm gonna change it. I had sorta promised Kristelle I'd include her April Challenge in here. Yes, and raw is not pasteurized, of course.

Let's let Kristelle decide. She opened another April wing.

I personally know the extra nutrients that raw eggs and animals provide are gonna help me a lot. I think we should all be doin' this on a regular basis.

I wanna keep this thing simple, so just 5 items in the check list.

Kristelle, what do you think? Should we do raw?
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Erasmus · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:17 am Post subject:

Where does a bleu steak fall? It is raw in the middle, edging its way to full on raw. Hmm??? Cool

Dean · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:23 am Post subject:

E, the rubric will say some raw animal. So, if you barely singe the outside of a steak, and then eat it, and the inside is totally raw, you are eating some raw animal. This is designed to take us on baby steps to places we've never gone before. It's fun! Grin

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Billi-Jean · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:47 am Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:24 am Post subject:

Yah, we need this raw thing, if nothin' more than just to give us more opportunities for points. The no dairy deal is gonna be a challenge in and of itself. At least for me. Damn, those Wisconsinites must have spiked the water supply! Shock

I'm drinkin' cream like it was Kool-Aid or somethin'! Wow

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/sutra22731.php#22731 Bonkers

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Kristelle · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject:

The raw thing sounds fine with me. Let's go ahead with it. Wink

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Billi-Jean · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:

Tracy · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject:

Dean, I promise I will not mention cocoa.

Coconut milk is firmly entrenched in the nut/oil category, and will be reported accordingly. E, my CM has zero fibre!

No berries :)

Liking the "some raw" deal - I always eat my steak bleu, and want to get more raw eggs in my diet. Sometimes I crave them. Last night I was watching Iron Chef America, and the hunks of raw wild boar meat looked soooooo good, for some reason.

Assuming raw dairy would count in that tally? Not that I can find much of it, but this might just inspire me. Wonder if raw cheese would affect me differently than un-raw cheese. Don't know if the whole casein-denaturing/pasteurization thing matters, but I'd rather eat raw cheese anyway. Anyone ever notice a difference, like in bloating or GI issues?

Bugger, I need a cow.
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Kim · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:

I'm going to shoot for at least 120. I can eat my steaks pretty rare but I don't know if I will be able to count them as raw. I do have access to raw cheese though.

Kim

Dean · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:09 am Post subject:

Guys. raw animal = raw meat. Since some people don't consider fish and fowl meat, I didn't wanna use that term, and then there are organs and fat along with the flesh. So animal is the whole deal. Like the first Allowed item: "any part of any animal".

NO cow pus is involved here! LOL

My god, that WI dairy lobby is more powerful than Cargill, Kraft, and Nestlé all rolled into one. Roll Eyes

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Kim · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject:

Just trying to get your goat Dean! LOL

Kim

Billi-Jean · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:53 am Post subject:

Kim, you mustn't torture Dean! LOL

He's about to go through a very painful break-up with CowPus! Wink

Kim · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject:

I thought Dean liked torture. Devil

Kim

Dean · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

Kim, I'm glad to see you've joined the Bus Boot Babes here at the Ward. Looks like you're gonna work out wonderfully. Devil

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wifezilla · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

Kim · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:

LindaSue · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

I'm new to this board so can you please clarify how this contest works? How do we submit our points each day? Do we post our menus? What would be considered "VLC dairy" and "VLC vegetables"?

I think I could do this quite easily as I've been eating this way since the beginning of January. I would have to take my birthday (April 14) off though and lose my points for that day. I'm planning to make an evil low carb Chocolate Truffle Torte for the occasion. Or, are birthdays considered "free days"??? Maybe I could bribe the judges by sharing the torte with them. We can all wash it down with some Kool-Aid.
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Dean · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

to the Bus, LindaSue! Sunny

The Boot Babes are not beyond a bribe. Devil

As far as this Contest goes, just read the OP (opening post) for the rules, and the rest of the thread if you'd like.

VLC means low, low, low. Practically none, basically.

Rubbish is for rabbits, but some of the carnivore cats on the Bus are still tumbling down the White Rabbit Hole after taking the red pill, so they still like to nibble a bit on the stuff. Wink

Here. You're in the wing. Cool

April Carnivore Contest
Billi-Jean...........0
Bobi..................0
Dean.................0
Diane................0
Erasmus...........0
Gordon.............0
Heather............0
Heather L.........0
jem51...............0
Kim...................0
Kristi31.............0
LindaSue..........0
Loops...............0
lynnedear.........0
mae_west........0
Regina..............0
SandyDown......0
Tracy................0
Valcan..............0
Vesna...............0

Total.................0
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Every day you'll see the dust
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Lynne · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject:

take me off this contest...

can't do it while tomatoes are in season.
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Rose · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject:

Sounds like fun! Am I too late to join up for April's contest? This'll get me to cook my steaks less and less--I might even try some honest-to-Bast raw burger...

Dean · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject:

lynnedear, you're out. Sorry to see ya go. Sad