The Magic Bus Trip

runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: Becoming a sled dog

Ok. So let's start logging.
I decided to check what's going on with me and dairy.
So I will stay dairy free for at least a week to see if it makes any difference.
So far the same experiment with coffee proved nothing really happend after quitting coffee. (from like 5-6 servings a day to zero). So I'm back to drinking coffee.

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jeff · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:55 am Post subject:

A while back, I didn't give up coffee, per se, but I did switch to decaf. I did not notice any difference, except that I was drinking crappy tasting coffee. So it was back to regular coffee for me.

Keep us posted on the dairy thing. It seems to effect some people much more than others.
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kateryna · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject:

Welcome

A little dairy (cheese and cream) and coffee don't seem to affect me one way or another. I'm losing anyway. Maybe I'd lose faster is I cut them out but for now I'm keeping them in.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

I will.

I eat dairy on a daily basis so I should notice something.

http://www.notmilk.com/detox.html
"one gallon of mucus will be expelled" seems like fun

Mongols were in perfect health eating nothing but dairy (no meat) for a few months in every year (depending on region). So let's see.

Why sled dog?

Because I would like to be able to run full speed (speed of ultrarunners) for like a 10-12 h a day eating 10 000 kcal.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsport...oted-super-athletes_10099876.html

After I accomplish it I can get back to living my current not so healthy and rather chaotic life.
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y0u · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:

I have done the no dairy thing at times. I do fine with limited dairy, as in 2 oz a day or less. Some people do better with none..or tons..

I don't believe that dairy causes mucus, it's a myth. I can't find any scientific proof that it does. It may cause a temporary thickening of the saliva in your mouth and throat, but that is it.

For me, wheat and all other grains seem to though. I can eat the top off a pizza and not get mucus..but the crust kills me.

It's still a good experiment though, good luck.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject:

OK. But something else crossed my mind. What about even better experiment to find out how I react to dairy. Eating nothing but dairy for a week or so.
Just water and full fat dairy products.
If I'm sensitive to dairy it should make me almost autistic by the end of the week, not to mention constipated frustrated and just plain bat shit crazy and I may start to lactate by the end of the week. Seems like fun.
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jeff · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject:

Could be fun! Bonkers

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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject:

Ok I decided to try the dairy diet. So I'm going to eat nothing but dairy for next 7 days.
Sometimes I wonder why I'm doing stuff like that to myself.
Will post how I feel daily. If I stop it means I went crazy and somebody locked me in somewhere or just shot me down.
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This is going to be interesting....I'll be watching to see what happens.

Loops · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject:

Hello!

Sorry - I don't mean to be following you around or anything just saw your link to here so thought I'd come along too. I really should get my own journal - oh, wait, I actually have one here already.

All dairy sounds like fun. My guess is not much will happen but you might get cravings for meat? Maybe low magnesium as well? It might turn you into a super human, or maybe a cow....

jeff · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:27 am Post subject:

I'm thinking you may loses some muscle, since your protein will be a bit low.
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y0u · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:38 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:18 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:19 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:23 am Post subject:

My first dairy only meal was a mixture of : butter, mozarella cheese, cream cheese, ricotta, coffee.
It kept me full for about 12 h. No cravings.
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runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:24 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:28 am Post subject:

At the moment I've got some jaw problems. Basically I cannot open my month too wide. So eating cream cheese is handy.
I don't know if it's caused by some ear infection, tooth or just some old problems from being punched too many times.
Anyway if dairy is inflammatory it should make it way worse.
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Loops · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject:

12 hours is impressive. Jaw pain - Mg? yeah I know I sound like a broken record.

No cravings for meat yet? How much cheese can you eat in one go?

y0u · Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject:

Some inspiration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kidOBV7yxY

But don't try this at home since in zero carb world exercising makes you fat and unhealthy.
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y0u · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject:

I have a friend that has done the Alaskan Iditasport Ultra-Marathon a few times..they make you eat sticks of pure butter.. Grin

I think you should just eat butter for a week and see how that goes for you. Grin

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runningdog · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:38 am Post subject:

Actually my taste is gravitating towards high fat dairy like butter, mascarpone and cream cheese. Not interested too much in eating cheeses.
So maybe after a while I'll be eating nothing but butter. Wink

Butter was o fuel of choice of Vikings during their raids. Add them to Mongols living on dairy and it may make you think that dairy is not that bad after all.

And I did something stupid yesterday. I ate some mascarpone and cream cheese during a day and in the evening I was feeling like eating another cup of dairy fat.
But my fucking overeducated mind told me: you've been biking and walking for a few hours you need to eat some protein for recovery. So since I was not interested in eating cheese at all I've had some pork with butter.

For those interested in bowel movements I want to report that I had one. Sorry not to post more details (consistancy, colour changes etc) but I'm not that paranoid yet. So no constipation so far. And no glue from casein.
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runningdog · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:46 am Post subject:

BTW I find it really amusing that people who try to mimick diet of fur traders and arctic explorers (pemmican, meat only, etc) who were able to do shitloads of physical exertion are so afraid of exercising and claim that few hours of weight training a week make them fat, bloated and weak.
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kateryna · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

I'm not into heavy physical activity so I'm commenting on statements made by other people. I listen to other people's opinions and if they make sense I try them out and see if they work for me. For example, some people tell you to eat beef only because it's the only food that has the highest satiation. I found out that for me I can eat fish, seafood, pork, eggs, bacon and remain full for the same amount of time. It all depends on you personally. I think the reason these people recommend beef is because they love it and not because there is some magic property to beef eating. I don't happen to like beef very much and this way of eating would not be sustainable if all I ate was beef.

So I suppose, you need to find out what works for you.
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runningdog · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject:

Kateryna I know what works for me I'm just messing around from time to time to learn some new tricks. Wink

Ok so after few days eating mostly dairy:
- no cravings,
- dairy meals actually keep me full longer compared to fatty meat, maybe it just takes longer to digest dairy,
- I developed taste for very high fat dairy like cream, butter, mascarpone cheese, etc;
- no weight change, no bloat, no constipation or other digestion problems.
- too much cheese (so probably casein) in one meal does make me slightly sleepy but nothing serious

So far no addiction to mysterious opioids in dairy, no addiction to casein or lastose. My body decided to live on dairy fat and I agree with that decision.
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runningdog · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

And my jaw is getting better so no inflammation or mucous.

Am I surprised ?
Not really.
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y0u · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject:

I probably don't exercise as much as you do..but I do exercise for several hours at a time on an empty stomach..and often don't eat for several hours later..It was hard for me to get past the the "must feed muscles protein and or carbs" crap...but I did...my body is quite good at storing it's own fuel..unfortunately. Roll Eyes

Kateryna..on beef. I agree..I think eating a variety is not only healthier..but much more interesting.. Fatty beef is also extremely caloric..which for some women is a factor in weight loss.
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Loops · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject:

butter is easier to clean off pans than tallow I noticed. I'm really lazy and this is an important factor to consider when cooking.

Despite going no dairy every other day it seems, the other night a friend fried up some provoletta for us - didn't end up eating dinner after that as was not hungry. Cheese seems to really fill me up for a long time.

The effing gardener planted loads of lettuce for us - now we have tons of it. I tried to eat some last night but wasn't impressed. Started to do rabbit impressions - even hub wasn't into it. What IS lettuce for anyway? Maybe we could start to wipe our arses with it - save on toilet paper.

jeff · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject:

Lettuce is so you don't have to drink your blue cheese dressing right out of the bottle. LOL

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kateryna · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:21 am Post subject:

I was looking through some competitive eating records :

http://www.ifoce.com/records.php

Just to pick a few zc friendly records:

Cow Brains
57 (17.7 pounds)
15 minutes
Takeru Kobayashi

Butter
7 quarter-pound sticks, salted butter
5 minutes
Don Lerman

Chicken Wings, Long form
182 chicken wings
30 minutes
Joey Chestnut

Eggs
65 Hard Boiled Eggs
6 minutes, 40 seconds
Sonya Thomas

Meatballs
10 pounds, 3 Ounces Meatballs/ Carmine's Restaurant at Tropicana Hotel Casino
12 minutes/ Dec. 3, 2005
Sonya Thomas

and so on

Impressive feasts

For those who wonder how a woman eating 10 pounds of meat looks like:
http://www.ifoce.com/eaters.php?action=detail&sn=20
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runningdog · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:45 am Post subject:

And this leads me back to a question what's better in keeping everything in check?

Eating few small meals a day or feasting once a day or once every two/three/whatever days and waiting again till hungry.

In both cases I talk about situation when you don't go intentionally hungry for too long or count calories, etc.

Based on those CE records and some other stories and historical evidences we as humans are capable of eating huge amounts of food in one sitting.
I think 10+ pounds a sitting is a safe range. And it should keep a normal person going for a few days.

BTW wolf is able to eat up to 20 pounds in one sitting.

Maybe it's going to be my next experiment to develop my eating capacity. 65 hard boild eggs in one go seems like something worth trying.
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jeff · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:45 am Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:52 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject:

I always wondered about the the "being lazy" part. Are they getting lazy because they have nothing else to do or because digestion of meat takes so much energy.
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jeff · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject:

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jeff · Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:19 am Post subject:

I can finish my dairy experiment.
I think I do feel better when I eat more meat but nothing dramatic happend during this week so dairy will stay on my menu.

I guess eating low fat/higher carb stuff like cottage cheese, etc would make a difference but high fat dairy seems to be fine.
So back to mixed diet.
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jeff · Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:58 am Post subject:

Interesting. Thanks for the update. Any change in weight?
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:49 am Post subject:

No change.
My weight fluctuates like up to 4-5 pounds (but no more) if I really overeat but it gets back to my current level as soon as I stop overeating.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:09 am Post subject:

I had a funny conversation.

Someone told me that he really admires what I do to stay in shape like biking for hours, doing other sports, not being tempted by icecream, pizzas, etc.

But a problem is that I don't do anything special to stay in shape. I don't force myself to do anything I don't like.

I bike and do sports and stay active becuase it's what I like to do.

I don't think in the morning, fuck I need to do those 20 km on bike again to stay in shape. I rather think what kind of music put into my player for a ride and where to bike.

If I'm tired it's this pleasure kind of feeling tired when you are really happy that you pushed yourself so hard. So it doesn't prevent me from pushing hard next time.

Etc, etc.

So I'm kind of in shape because of my lifestyle not the other way around.

As far as eating. I follow one simple rule: I avoid foods that make me sluggish for too long because I don't like to feel sluggish.

I still eat and drink stuff based on taste but I just know my limits.
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jeff · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:41 am Post subject:

I'm the same way with the exercise. I lost most of my weight before I began exercising. Only after I had become thin did I begin exercising. It never seems like a chore. I do it because I like it. It's not something I "have" to do. It's something I "want" to do.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:45 am Post subject:

Coffee

I'm still not sure if coffee is beneficial, neutral or harmful.

That's a good example of how most of the researches are done today.
There are like 100s of studies on coffee and for every one with positive outcome we've got at least one suggesting that coffee ruins our health. Amazing way to lose time and money.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:49 am Post subject:

Blood sugar

It also bothers me and I want to test it soon. Basic stuff and we still don't have any idea what it should be like for a healthy human being. Or maybe we do.
Long term zcarbers seem to average about 100 (Bear, Lex, etc) . But I don't like it.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:51 am Post subject:

Ray Peat on coffee:

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml
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jeff · Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:33 am Post subject:

According to him coffee is an adaptogen and powerfull antioxidant and protects you from almost anything.
Add some coconut oil to your diet while drinking lots of coffee and you are almost immortal and you can do anything you want.
Drugs, unprotected sex, working out like a madman or actually being a madman, whatever. You are safe. No liver demage, no AIDS, no herpes.
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runningdog · Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:21 am Post subject:

So I'm thinking what to do next.

Maybe doing kind of optimal keto diet so keeping my protein intake in a physiological range and eating fat according to hunger.

I think my dairy week went so well because I craved only high fat stuff and my protein was moderate to low.

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