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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Going Native: Wifezilla's Tropical Experiment Reply with quote

In Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories", he mentions a study of the Tokelau atoll natives.  (photo here: http://www.uscg.mil/d14/units/kukui/Swains/jungle%20trail.JPG) Their diet was comprised of about 70% coconut, fish and some breadfruit. While many Pacific Island cultures grew starchy vegetables and ate high levels of carbohydrates in the form of taro, yams, breadfruit, etc....according to reports on the Tokelau, they did not have cultivation and, though they ate breadfruit, they got most of their nourishment from coconut and fish. It is my aim to incorporate the health aspects of the Tokelau diet (the coconut and fish) while eliminating the bad (starches). I am also incorporating healthy elements of other Pacific Island cultures. To keep things low carb, I am making modifications to replace the starchy breadfruit with low carb fruits and vegetables.

Goals:
Still remain low carb while trying to get up to 70% of calories from coconut and the remainder from primarily fish. So if I eat 2000k a day, 1400 of that should be coming from some kind of coconut. Instead of using carby foods to fill the role of breadfruit in their diet, I have added low-carb friendly veggies and a few fruits. I would still be aiming for a daily carb count under 30g (but it could go as high as 40). This woe will allow me to figure out if dairy is one of the reasons I have been in such a long stall.

Duration: The month of March. After that, I am going to add back in dairy and see what happens.

Allowed:
Coconut including coconut oil, meat and milk
Fresh water fish (perch, trout, walleye, etc...)
Clams, oysters and scallops
Shrimp, lobster, tuna, shark, sword fish, etc...
In small amounts:
Tropical nuts such as macadamia and almond
Tropical nut oils and palm oil
Low carb fruits like strawberries, blueberries and kiwi (to replace high carb native fruits)
Jicama (as a replacement for bread fruit)
salad greens and other low carb veggies (think Atkins induction)
Nori (seaweed wraps)
mushrooms
spices

Disallowed:
Beef
Pork
Lamb
Dairy including cheese, milk and cream
And all high carb foods like cereals, grains, fruit juices, etc...

Artificial sweeteners:
Following the carnivore experiment has shown artificial sweeteners to be weight neutral in my case. I am going to leave this up to personal choice, just list them if you use them.

Research: I used the Taubes book as a start off point and then hit the Weston Price website. I found some interesting sources of information listed below. One thing that stood out was several people claiming native islanders ate a low fat diet, and then they mentioned they ate a bunch of coconut. Uhhhh....hello!  

https://edit.britannica.com/getEditableToc?tocId=53908
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price8.html

" It was particularly instructive to observe the diligence with which some of the isolated Maori near the coast sought out certain types of food in accordance with the tradition and accumulated wisdom of their tribes. As among the various archipelagos and island dwellers of the Pacific, great emphasis was placed upon shell fish. Much effort was made to obtain these in large quantities. In Fig. 74 (lower), will be seen two boys who have been gathering sea clams found abundantly on these shores. Much of the fishing is done when the tide is out. Some groups used large quantities of the species called abalone on the West Coast of America and paua in New Zealand. In Fig. 74 (upper), a man, his wife and child are shown. The father is holding an abalone; the little girl is holding a mollusk found only in New Zealand, the toharoa; the mother is holding a plate of edible kelp which these people use abundantly, as do many sea bordering races. Maori boys enjoy a species of grubs which they seek with great eagerness and prize highly. The primitive Maori use large quantities of fern root which grows abundantly and is very nutritious." http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price12.html

"Inland, fertile land yielded some comestibles such the yam, taro, cassava, banana, papaya, and sweet potato, which were native to the islands. The diet of the Polynesians included the aforementioned staples but was centered around indigenous maritime animals such as shrimps, clams, oysters, snails, eels, and many types of fish." http://www.astronomy.pomona.edu/archeo/islands/polynesia1.html

"For most, a traditional diet of fresh fish and vegetables has been replaced by Spam, canned corned beef, potato chips and beer. A result is the one of the highest rates of obesity and diabetes in the world. Life expectancy is only 50 for men and 55 for women."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/full...sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

"When Captain Cook discovered the Hawaiian Islands in 1778, the native population (est. 300,000) lived chiefly on dasheen and sweet potatoes (Ipomoea batatas), supplemented with things from the sea. In the Hawaiian Islands, taro was said to have been formed by the union of daughter earth and father sky, before man was born, so taro was honored as superior to man and treasured as the most important food crop. So intensive was its cultivation there that there may have been up to 300 cultivars in Hawaii when Captain Cook landed. Poi was traditionally prepared by removing the corm "skin" and then pounding the white flesh on a board with a stone pounder (pohaku ku'I) to make a thick paste, which was dried, diluted with water, kneaded, and then aged. The infamous Polynesian poi may be fermented (first bacteria, then yeast) or sometimes unfermented forms of this sticky dasheen paste, eaten with the fingers or as small balls. Some Polynesians were said to consume up to 20 pounds of poi per day!" http://www.botgard.ucla.edu/html/...onomicbotany/Colocasia/index.html

" Breadfruit  is one of many starchy fruits traditionally eaten by Pacific Islanders. The diet also includes abundant fresh vegetables, fish, and nuts. [Photograph by Wolfgang Kaehler. Corbis. Reproduced by permission.]

Fruits, fruit juices, vegetables, and nuts (e.g., peanuts, macadamia, and litchi) are eaten in abundance, while milk and other dairy products are uncommon (there is a high prevalence of lactose intolerance among Pacific Islanders). Coconuts are plentiful, and both the milk and dried fruit are used to flavor meals. Pigs, chickens, and cows exist on the Pacific Islands, but in areas like Fiji they are expensive, so local villagers tend to purchase them only for large celebrations and feasts."
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.  I'll be watching.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zilla-  This sounds like a good experiment.  I hope it goes well for you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I guess this is one way to get a taste of my fantasy to live on a beach eating sea food and coconuts all day. :D
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have fun! This sounds like an interesting experiment.

I would love to do a challenge where I only eat seafood and butter, but that does not sound like this one. I don't think I could afford it either...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would eat a TON of Appetizing Aquatics if I could afford it! Cry
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya know 'zilla....

As you are doing this you should start playing Hawaiian music around week two to three but don't cop to it. Just say, "I hadn't noticed, must be the coconuts." when asked.  Then...

Around week 3 or 4...

Start wearing nothing but a grass skirt.   Devil

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highly recommend haupia
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Sounds good to me E :D

As for the cost, I started stocking up on fish a couple of weeks ago. I have perch, cod, salmon, and shrimp. I am keeping my eye open for any and all seafood sales. I got the perch from ShareColorado.com. Unfortunately they don't have any fish or seafood for the March order.

I bought 3 jars of coconut butter last month and it has been calling my name for the last several weeks. I also have a jar of evco and that is readily available at my local Wally world. And I have refine coconut oil for cooking too.

Haupia sounds really good. According to the article I just read, unflavored gelatin can be substituted for arrow root powder. I might have to try that. :D
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will be watching with interest! Very cool experiment.

Coconut butter - do tell!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wifez, this sounds like a terrific experiment.

Of course, in my mind, it has Aquatic Ape Hypothesis written all over it!

I've begun to rely more on canned fish and seafood. Doesn't cost too much, and it stores so easily. I've found that more expensive sardines and tuna really do taste better. And tuna in oil tastes way better than tuna in water.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the coconut butter I have. It is so delicious!
http://www.premierorganics.org/

Aquatic Ape Theory? Never heard of it. I will have to check it out.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked up a couple of cans of coconut milk last night at Wally World. I need to check the vitamin cottage and see what kind of coconutty goodness they have :D

I have also been running sample menus through fitday. This is looking very doable.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zilla-  It sounds like you are getting prepared. (stocking up, crunching numbers)  I can't wait to see what you think of this once you get going.  I love to watch a good experiment.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm eager to read your meal details!

What do you use the coconut butter on? Well fish, I suppose :) Duh.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eat it with a spoon....or spread it on an almond meal macaroon. Yummmmmm

I may try using it as a cream replacement for coffee. I don't drink much and I don't do it every day, but sometimes you just need some java dammit!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I need to get this before I start?


"The ultimate in ridiculous relaxation. A hammock slung between two realistic palm trees with palm fronds, coconuts, and a cooling mechanism. The  Tropical Island from  Bim Bam Banana comes as close to being there as… well… being there. This getup would look great by any pool, or on any city roof-deck. Place one of these babies in the middle of your patio, grab a reflector screen, and your neighbors will scramble as you’ve certainly one-upped them.

For the bargain price of $8,240.00, the hammock comes with a pillow and drink caddy. The palm trees have an internal dual-control mist mechanism to simulate a misty ocean breeze. Play some Buffett in the background, and presto, you have paradise, even in Buffalo, NY (weather permitting). The website promises that the setup will withstand anything short of a cyclone. "
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wifezilla wrote:
Maybe I need to get this before I start?


"The ultimate in ridiculous relaxation. A hammock slung between two realistic palm trees with palm fronds, coconuts, and a cooling mechanism. The  Tropical Island from  Bim Bam Banana comes as close to being there as… well… being there. This getup would look great by any pool, or on any city roof-deck. Place one of these babies in the middle of your patio, grab a reflector screen, and your neighbors will scramble as you’ve certainly one-upped them.

For the bargain price of $8,240.00, the hammock comes with a pillow and drink caddy. The palm trees have an internal dual-control mist mechanism to simulate a misty ocean breeze. Play some Buffett in the background, and presto, you have paradise, even in Buffalo, NY (weather permitting). The website promises that the setup will withstand anything short of a cyclone. "

I think you also need a couple of native hunks in loin cloths fanning you with palm fronds.  Devil
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With native hunks in loin cloths fanning you, who needs the hammock?   Devil  Devil
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God point! How much are hunks going for now-a-days?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more inspiration...


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The music here is sooooooo relaxing.....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiFf6iafw8g&feature=related
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wifezilla wrote:
God point! How much are hunks going for now-a-days?

I hear some hunks would do it for free.   ( Well, let's just say not for money.  Wink )
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Day 1 Reply with quote

My first day was rather tasty I must say!

Brunch: Salmon Burgers with tropical tartar sauce (coconut butter seasoned with diced pickles, garlic, lemon juice, balsamic, horse radish, Mrs. Dash and dried onion)

Snack: Coconut Flakes (They were pretty large and I ate them like potato chips)

Dinner: Shrimp and cucumber salad with warmed coconut dressing (coconut oil, vinegar and spices)

Dessert: Coconut milk smoothie


Stats...
1775  
Fat: 126   1136   64%
 Sat: 92   829   47%
 Poly: 4   35   2%
 Mono: 4   40   2%
Carbs: 39   104   6%
 Fiber: 13   0   0%
Protein: 132   529   30%

My percentage of calories from coconut only worked out to be 53%, but I expected it would take me a few tries to dial it in.

No change in weight (not that I expect any from 1 day).

Eating tropical today will help keep my mind off the fact that is is FREAKING SNOWING AGAIN!!!! Here is a little visual inspiration for those following along...


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:47 am    Post subject: Day 2 Reply with quote

Total: 2028  
Fat: 161   1450   72%
 Sat: 123   1106   55%
 Poly: 8    71    4%
 Mono: 12   105   5%
Carbs: 49   104   5%
 Fiber: 23   0     0%
Protein: 113   452   23%

Another tasty day :D

Breakfast was the rest of that smoothie I made yesterday...
Salmon burger and shrimp for lunch (cooked in coconut oil of course)
Snack was coconut flakes and dinner was trout with cocnut oil and lemon juice.

Total % of calories from coconut was 63%. Almost there!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy guacamole!

Down 1 lb! Woo hoo!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice!
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No menu to post from yesterday. I didn't eat anything. I caught the flu. After weeks of having people cough and hack their germs on me, I finally got it. Bleh!

Anyway...feeling less like death today so back on plan...I hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the lost pound!
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Down one more to 213. I did eat some food yesterday, but not nearly enough calories. And I went off plan with a small bowl of stew. I had it already made up for hubby and cooking was out of the question.

Still feeling a little woozie, but my appetite is returning. I dreamed about pizza last night and woke up reeallllyyyy hungry!
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Yesterday was a mixed day. My appetite came back with a vengence. I did eat coconut, but I also scarfed down a bunch of chicken wings. Opps.

Today I was a good girl though. Salmon burgers for breakfast, coconut bark for snacking, and this awesome coconut clam chowder I whipped up in the morning and left cooking in the slow cooker. I wish I would have measured things so I can make it again. I think I can get close. Think clam chowder with coconut milk instead of cream and lc veggies instead of potatoes. Yum!

I also managed to get another blog post up. Check it out if you want a quick laugh :D

Here is some inspiration for tomorrow...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zilla, that clam chowder sounds great. I hope you will post that in the Appetizing Aquatics forum. BTW, did you ditch dairy from Feb? Or were you not doing dairy? I'm lovin' the "deflation" of my dairy bloat since March 1. Cool
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I am ditching dairy and eggs for March. I actually have an intolerance to eggs that was dxed when I was in college. They haven't caused me to break out in hives since then so I just ate them whenever I wanted.

As for the dairy, I do feel a little different these days. Not sure if it the lack of dairy or adding all that coconut.

I gained back one of the pounds I lost when sick, but I figured that would happen. Still at 214.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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zilla, that clam chowder sounds great. I hope you will post that in the Appetizing Aquatics forum.

I'd love to see the recipe as well, that sounds so interesting.
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The recipe is up :D

http://wifezillasway.blogspot.com...pe-low-carb-tropical-seafood.html
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Wow, that looks deeelish! Yup
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Thank you! Yup I never thought of using coconut milk for cream soup, although I use it for curries and it's awesome.
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I will get that recipe posted in a bit :D

Still at 214, so it looks like that 1 lb loss was a keeper, not just the scale faking me out. I have been living on that chowder for the past 2 days and I am still not sick of it. In fact, I am going to heat up a bowl for breakfast right now. Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

butter poaching, yummm. maybe dinner if i can get to the store for a bottle of white. i have some shrimp.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Zilla, I'm going to try that chowder. I love love love clam chowder and haven't had  it in ages!

Butter poaching sounds amazing. DO you use all of that poaching liquid at once, or does it keep? I pay a lot for organic butter :)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tracy, the recipes on that page tell you how much to use...so no, you use the amt you need. in other word whatever tastes good. i will make a half recipe since i'm single and cooking for just me.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Down to 213 this morning :D

I had the chowder for breakfast yesterday, a coconut milk smoothie with strawberries for lunch, and 4 pieces of whiting (fried) dipped in butter for supper.

I kind of blew the no dairy thing with the butter, but I was craving fat and whiting is so boring without butter I went for it. If I keep dropping weight and feeling fine, who am I to argue??? Still staying away from cream and cheese though. I want to be a full month without before I add those back in.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Congrats on the loss! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dean :D

That pound is still gone this morning, so I get to claim that one lost for good too!

I need to get to the store. This particular diet is WAY more easy to fall off of than the meat and fat only diet I did last month. If I run out of food (or time to cook) on meat/fat, I can just go to McDonalds and get a dollar menu cheese burger and throw out the bun. You can't get seafood in Colorado at a restaurant unless it has been battered or is drowning in a sugary sauce.

I also can't reheat my seafood stuff at work. Nobody likes a copy shop that smells like fish :p

Oh well, I think I have time to cook up a piece of mahi mahi. I will be doing butter again since it only has 1g of fat but has 21g of protein.

Demi on the active low carb forum has posted a really cool article about butter. Check it out. http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=367210
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wifezilla wrote:

I also can't reheat my seafood stuff at work. Nobody likes a copy shop that smells like fish :p


Problem ^  Answer -> Sashimi

Personally I prefer cooked food, cooked warm food.  But this does solve your problem.  If you don't go for full on raw you can always go for saviche.

And if THAT doesn't work, you'll just have to limit yourself to shrimp cocktails.  You poor thing.  Grin

And if THAT does doesn't work... (besides the fact that you clearly have issues  Bonkers  Wink ) you could thin slice scallops and dip them in hot nuked butter fondue/shabu shabu style.  

Nope, the only problem I see with your "problem" is that I'm getting hungry.   LOL

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wifezilla wrote:
Demi on the active low carb forum has posted a really cool article about butter. Check it out. http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=367210

I used to get fresh whole raw milk from organic pastured cows and scrape off the cream, then make my own butter. Talk about animal fat heaven. Whoa! Just like all this seafood, too bad that stuff is way too expensive. But, you know, if it helps me get that pardon, I may keep consuming store-bought unsalted butter for quite some time. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if THAT doesn't work, you'll just have to limit yourself to shrimp cocktails.  You poor thing.  


I had that one day last week. Wish I could afford to do that more often!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine.  Make me do this the hard way.   Wink

1) Pre-cook your fish.  Cut into small blocks no bigger than an inch or so. And refrigerate.

2) Make a stock/soup/curry without anything fishy.  Portion and frige.

3) At work nuke the hell out of #2.  Then cool it by adding fish chunks.

4) Eat non-fishy smelling lunch.

---OR---

Get a thermos.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or tell your coworkers to get over it. LOL



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