Dean
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Beyond the Real Human DietBesides eating our natural diet of animal foods, what are some of the non-animal foods you include in your diet?
For me, it is only dry seasoning at this time, but, I may include others in the future.
Was curious what others include.
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Van
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I can't seem to trust that I will be getting enough vit-c or whatever you might want to call it. Thus I eat a half or one Meyer lemon and it's pulp each day. Sometimes I have a few soaked almonds, but am really giving a go at zero carb.
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Dean
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You know, Van, I have been a bit concerned about that very thing recently, because I noticed inflammation in my joints, and got a little worried. I'm not sure where the antiscorbutic substance came from in our ancestors diet, but, I have been starting to eat vitamin C pills over the last couple days. After I get through with my MAM Experiment and have lost the weight I want, I may start eating something like lemons or limes... perhaps using the juices to spice up some chicken or fish. Right now, I'm very curious to see if this pain goes away with the vitamin C pills.
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Lynne
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i'd be curious too, dean.
the only thing non animal i put in my stomach are dry seasonings.
after reading somewhere on here about fish oil...
i popped two today.
for the omega 3's.
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Heather
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Only non-animal beverages.... 
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Dean
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Pooti
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The only non-meat things I'm doing are the dried spices/herbs (a tiny tiny bit of thyme here and there) and I'm also adding about 2-3 cloves of whole garlic to soup/potroasts. The cloves are removed after cooking and not eaten by me.
I also am still supplementing until I feel fully comfortable with it - I take a multi-vit, calcium/magnesium (for a known calcium deficiency), Vit D3 (for a known Vt D deficiency).
Decaf Coffee in the mornings (water decaffeinated), black
Beyond that my diet is meat, fat, eggs, butter, cheese, shrimp
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jem51
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i've been squeezing half a lemon/lime into a quart of water since my 20's. i've attempted giving it up a couple times but just generally feel better if i have it....so i no longer question it. i drink coffee in the morning and consume dairy. some days i eat some produce. the other day i was waiting at an appt and went to big lots looking for something to get me through the next couple hours. i bought an atkins bar. i spent 3 days w the most miserable tummy. i haven't touched anything like that in years and thought 'just this once....' aparently once is too much.
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Cody
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Dean, are you taking fish oil capsules? They are supposed to help with inflammation. Something else you might try is Borage Oil. It contains GLA, which is technically an Omega6 fatty acid, but is supposed to be a potent anti-inflammatory.
My only non-animal food is a couple of Tb of Peanut butter on occasion. I just love the stuff so much.
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Dean
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Thanks, Cody.
Yah, I'm going to get some fish oil. I'm thinking wild alaska salmon oil. How much do you think I should take? I hope this helps. I've already eliminated so much inflammatory foods, I just don't understand it, unless the grain-fed animal thing is for real, which I'm not ruling out at all. I'm more than likely going to be getting grass-fed meats and eggs after the meat I have is gone. Don't have too much left now.
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Jessica
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Dried spices and supplements (I take vitamin C, magnesium, calcium, and Carson's Lemon Flavored Cod Liver Oil).
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Dean
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Hey, Jessica,
Do you know if the cod liver oil is like fish oil, in that it helps with inflammation? Does it have lots of omega 3 fat in it? How much do you do a day? Also, does anyone know what the best source of vitamin C is?
Thanks.
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Cody
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Dean, cod liver oil is way too high in Vitamin a to take more than a gram or two per day. I'd recommend fish oil starting with about 3 grams.
Have you read the stuff from VILHJALMUR STEFANSSON? I don't think you really need vitamin c at all. There are much more powerful anti inflammatories than vitamin c:
| Quote: | Boswellia (Boswellia serrata). Also known as Indian frankincense, Boswellia serrata has long been recognized in Ayurvedic medicine for its anti-inflammatory benefits. Today scientists studying extracts of boswellia are reporting that it can switch off key cell signalers and pro-inflammatory mediators known as cytokines in the inflammatory cascade.
Ginger (Zingiber officinalis). Valued for centuries the world over for its medicinal qualities, ginger today is being studied by biochemists and pharmacologists interested in its analgesic, anti-inflammatory, anti-nausea and sugar-moderating effects in the body. In the past 30 years or so their work has confirmed how ginger shares properties with conventional over-the-counter and prescription NSAID’s, in that it suppress the synthesis in the body of the pro-inflammatory molecules known as prostaglandins — except with few if any side effects. Recently, however, an even more exciting body of work is emerging that shows how ginger extract can actually inhibit or deactivate genes in our body that encode the molecules involved in chronic inflammation.
Turmeric (Curcuma longa), an ancient culinary spice native to South East Asia, has been used as an anti-inflammatory agent for centuries in Indian Ayurvedic medicine. Also known as cucurmin, it is a mild COX-2 inhibitor, but works differently from the prescription-strength drugs that can increase your risk of myocardial infarction or stroke. Like Boswellia and ginger, it seems to inhibit joint inflammation by preventing the production of prostaglandins and activation of inflammation-regulating genes through its effects on cell-signalling.
Glucosamine–chondroitin. Glucosamine sulfate (1500–2000 mg/day, divided doses) and chondroitin sulfate (~1000 mg/day) are important building blocks in healthy cartilage. As we age, our bodies cannot create these compounds as readily. Glucosamine–chondroitin supplements may help repair damaged tissues, but they are felt to act principally by delaying the progression of joint inflammation and alleviating its symptoms. In other words, they may not have as strong an impact on the underlying causes of chronic inflammation as the other recommendations in this article, but you can certainly ask your healthcare provider about including them in your plan. (If you have shellfish allergies, be sure to check with your healthcare provider before taking these supplements.) |
I think you should try ginger and turmeric.
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Dean
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Thanks for this post, Cody.
You know, last night I made pork belly, and I put an extra amount of ginger on it. This morning, my leg was just barely stiff. Almost all the inflammation symptoms were gone! I'm not sure if it's because of the ginger or because of the C I've been taking, but, I'm glad that this inflammation is clearing up. I'm going to get some fish oil today and see if that improves things even more. I was really getting sick of all the inflammation that has been coming on. What do you think caused it?
This all started, and got progressively worse, after I got into meat and water only, back around Thanksgiving. Of course, the meat is all factory farm raised stuff, so, perhaps that is the reason. Too much omega-6 versus omega-3. I know this has been disputed by some, but, if I start doing fish oil and notice a great improvement, I'm going to consider getting local grass-fed bison, free-range chickens/eggs, and other wild type animals, as I used to do on a regular basis.
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Miriam
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So Dean this inflammation is all new?
What were you eating before?
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Dean
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I was eating some SAD junk and the usual seasoned meat, eggs, cheese, wine and coffee with cream.
I am totally amazed that my leg did not hurt and was not stiff when I got up today. Normally it has been, for a couple months now. As I walk around, it gets better, but, it still hurts. So far today, it has not. That's encouraging. A few days ago, I started taking vitamin C, cuz, I was worried that this might be scurvy or something. I'm not sure if it is the vitamin C or the ginger I had last night that is helping. I'm just really glad something is. I'm looking forward to adding in fish oil.
Although Bear, biblelife.org, and others say it doesn't matter whether one eats grass-fed or grain-fed animals, many say it does. I have always tended to believe that it does, just like I believe that dairy, while being animal fat, is not a true paleo food. The closer we eat like our ancestors, the better off we will be. They ate mainly herbivores that grazed on grass. That's why I'm probably going back to eating bison, which I used to eat all the time, and can get for very cheap.
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Cody
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I think its all the fat you've been eating.
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Dean
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Cody, I doubt it. I have had this problem since Thanksgiving, and I was watching my fat intake a bit, in order to lose body fat, which I did. Lost 6 kilos up until my MAM Experiment started. Now I'm stalled in my tracks again. 
It's all AC's fault! 
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corafan
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| Dean wrote: | | I'm not sure where the antiscorbutic substance came from in our ancestors diet, but, I have been starting to eat vitamin C pills over the last couple days. |
I believe that the adrenal gland in most animals is high in vitamin C (especially if you eat it raw). We don't eat the adrenal in the west very often, but it was a prized food in some of the traditional cultures studied by Weston Price.
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