Dean's ZCarnivore MAM Experiment

Dean · Dean's ZCarnivore MAM Experiment

OK. As much animal fat as I've been eating lately, and, as much body fat as I've been losing in such a short time, I think it's time for me to do the MAM experiment I never did a year ago. The fact I am only eating fatty meat with dry seasoning, only drinking water, not eating any dairy or eggs or organs, and the fact I have just a few kilos of body fat to lose, makes me a pretty good subject for this. Yup

AC, eat your heart out (again). LOL

I think I'm gonna shoot for 5000 calories a day Shock

, keeping carbs as close to zero as possible, and fat as high as I can stand, and, the thing is, rather than simply maintain my weight, I'm gonna see if I LOSE body fat! I will have to do some pemmican during this time, to get my animal fat up with tons of tallow. I also have a huge, very fatty brisket in the freezer, and lots of pork belly. Cool

I'm really looking forward to this experiment. I think it will trash the calorie theory all to hell, and possibly force AC out of hiding... to write (yet another) bashing book! Roll Eyes

Hey, this is the Metabolic Ward, isn't it? Wink

Linda

I'm looking forward to watching your experiment, Dean. Good luck! Happy

Valcan

Hi Dean,

I am looking forward to following your experiment. I plan to go zero carb/high fat for January but I am not counting calories. I love eating fat so it shouldn't be a problem to keep my fat levels high. Beef fat roasted in the Nuwave for dinner anyone?

Val

jeff

Good luck, buddy! With that much fat and that many calories, it will be imperitive to keep your carbs at zero.

Kim

GO DEAN!!

Kim

Dean

I need some suggestions for this experiment. One thing I really need to do is concentrate on super high animal fat intake. I am only eating lightly cooked animal flesh and fat with dry seasoning, so, there is no dairy to increase the fat consumption. I will probably need to drink straight beef brisket and pork belly drippings in order to push those calories up. LOL

More than likely, I'm going to be closer to 4000 calories than to 5000, but, that is still an excess number of calories for me to be able to lose weight (according to the calorie theory, or even the futile cycle theory). I'd better not stall, or this will be a very short experiment. Wink

I'm not going to start this experiment until after the holidaze are over, which for me is after all the early January Birthdays are over. I've got a lot of friends that were born this time of year. Three of us will be at a big party this Saturday, January 3rd, which happens to be my Birthday. Then, there is my gf's Birthday after that. While I'm almost off the java, I will partake in some wine on certain nights coming up, so, I want to wait till after that.

In the meantime, any suggestions on how best to do this experiment are greatly appreciated. So, post away, please!

Sunny

Valcan

Hi,

Do you have a butcher that will give you chicken skin and beef fat? Both cook nicely in NuWave. You can eat the browned fat or skin and then drink the fat the falls off into the bottom pan.

100 g of chicken skins - 472 calories
1 cup chicken fat - 1846 calories (I love drinking chicken fat Grin

)
1 ounce beef fat - 253 calories
1 cup tallow - 1849 calories

Val

Dean

Yah, if I just drink a cup of chicken fat for breakfast, and a cup of tallow for dinner, that should do it, huh? Wink

Val, it sounds like you should be doin' this MAM Experiment with me. Yup

Valcan

I am tempted to join in but I think if I can make it past a week on zero carb (my current record) that will be an accomplishment for me. I really just want to concentrate on zero carb and not have to worry about adding in extra calories and keeping track. Once I settle in to zc, I may consider doing a MAM experiment. I will be cheering you on from the sidelines though!

Val

Nicola

Don't you think that you will make yourself sick? What about your gut; I notice things! Try going for a run on that - or am I just not normal?

Nicola

jeff

I think you're right in that your calories will be closer to 4000. I can tell you from experience it is tough to each that much meat and fat. Since you are only going to eating meat, fat and water.....I don't know that there is much advice to be offered. I suppose just eat as much fat as you can stand.

Why are you worried about a stall? You don't have much to lose. What's wrong with staying the same weight for a few weeks in the name of science? Wink

Dean

Thanks for your concern, Nicola. I've had the same concerns, so you are not abnormal in your thinking.

jeff, I am doing this to see if I can continue losing while upping the fat way beyond my caloric need. If I stall, then, that is only going to prove that one cannot lose weight unless they lower calories. I have already seen that I can maintain my weight when doing ZC, despite excess calories. During the Carnivore Contests last year, I proved that. You also proved it during your MAM Experiment.

I now want to see if I can lose while doing ZC. The difference this time will be the elimination of all modern foods, which include dairy and eggs. I want to eat the natural, paleo diet of our ancestors, which was pure muscle meat and fat. They may have eaten organs at times, but, it's obvious they ate lots of muscle and fat, raw for a very long time, then, they started cooking this stuff. If I eat like that, it will be very interesting to see what happens to this fat roll around my belly.

You're correct that I don't have much to lose, but, I do wanna lose it. I want to get to the point where it is impossible to pinch any fat on my abs. That has always been my goal, and still is. Right now that roll is the size of a bicycle tire. On Thanksgiving, it was the size of two. If eating around 4000 calories of animal fat will allow this roll to continue to shrink, that will be something, now won't it? Wink

Valcan

Hi Dean,

There is another possible outcome of your experiment. You may find that by upping your fat intake, you lose fat from your body even faster. I am interested in the results of this experiment. I find that I can only eat so much fat then I start to feel queasy. You may find that your body will regulate the amount of fat you can consume and not the numbers in Fitday. I am not sure if this queasiness is something that people get past or not.

Val

Karen

hi dean!

Good luck on your experiment! i will be interested to see the results.

karen Happy

Pooti

Good luck Dean! Haha I just figured out who AC was!!!! Clap

So what does MAM mean? Does this mean you will be "Manimal" when you are done!?!

Dean

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about813.html Wink

Pooti

Thanks! LOL. So does that mean you will be a "maminal" instead?! ;) I don't think you are gonna gain. Are you keeping your carbs at zero?

Dean

I plan to.

Lynne

Dean, doesn't all that fat upset your tummy?
I find I get so sick if I eat too much fat.. I get the queezies about 4-6 hours after eating.

I'll be watching you too.
I'm completely ZC and would like to lose..

Nicola

and after the tummy has let it into the gut...not nice. I have the gutflue and trying to get on with my body with things going threw or trying to eat - no fun! Try moving on that kind of diet; this may not be much fun on top!

Nicola

Heather L

Hey Dean. It will be interesting to watch how your MAM experiment goes.

Congrats on giving up the java. Cool

I respect the discipline of that.

Dean

Thanks, Heather. Heart

It's actually been easy, since I cut down so gradually. I don't even think about coffee anymore, which is rather weird, considering I had my last "cup" (thimble full) just 4 days ago.
Yah, just the thought of all that animal fat makes me wanna puke! Puke

That's why I've been soliciting ideas on how to go about this.

Whaddaya all think? Do people lose on ZCarnivore cuz the cals are so low? Hell, I'm only eating once a day, and don't even think about food until into the evening.

Perhaps I will have to resort to drinking down melted butter... or is that gonna throw off this "tightly-controlled" experiment? Roll Eyes

Hmmmm.... maybe I should just lick lots of hot melted butter off some Boot Babes at the back of the Bus. Devil

Decisions, decisions. Wink

Pooti

Hey Dean - here's what I've been doing. I melt some fat in my pan and cook my meat then pour the fat (spoon it) over my meat and once I cut it I use the meat as a mop to soak up all the fat. If it's too lean, I will add a couple of tablespoons of butter.

The other thing I did the other day was make beef ribs and I put about 2-3cups of water in the bottom of the pan and a couple of short ribs in the bottom. Then put the racks of ribs on a rack. All the fat dripped off and flavored the water. I covered it with aluminum foil and let em cook at 300*-325* for about 1-1/2 hours. Then I uncovered em, turned the heat up and let em brown. I drank the broth which is heavy heavy in fat while I ate the ribs. I had some leftover and there was about 3/4" of fat congealed on the top. I took some of it off to use as fat. But kept the reast to flavor the broth. It's soooooo good!

I also will throw marrow bones in with chuck roast and some water and a bit of salt and will brown the chuck in fat first. Then cook it low and slow for about 3-4hours. It ends up being really fat. Then I blend up the marrow and pour it back into the broth. Makes it even fattier feeling.

Just my 2cents! You're doing great!

Heather L

Dean

Yes, you have a good point there, Heather. This could very easily lead to lots of ESC. Devil

I'd still like to use this method, though. Wink

Lynne

dean, what does MAM stand for?
miss coffee yet?

SnowDog2003

Dean, I just noticed this thread. How is your 4000 calorie self-experiment going? Did you start it?

Oh, and who is AC?

Dean

If you listen really carefully, you can sometimes hear his screams coming up from the catacombs below the Ward. Bonkers

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about813.html Wink

SnowDog2003

I guess I'm dense. That thread you're referencing ended over a year ago. It doesn't look like anything ever got started.

Valcan

Hi,

There is a link in the thread to who AC is. I think that is why Dean posted it.

Val

Dean

AC has gone missing for sometime. He's quite the mystery around here. Wink

I mainly posted that link cuz it spelled out what MAM is. Metabolic Advantage Movement. That is the Movement that ran AC into hiding. That's his version of it, anyway. Roll Eyes

Dean

Valcan

Hey Dean,

How about starting at a reasonable amount of fat and then upping it a bit every day until you are around 3000 calories (or whatever your upper fat limit *ufl* is) and then see if you can maintain that for awhile.

Val

Dean

Thanks for the suggestions, Val.

I've probably already been eating close to that many calories, but, who knows.

Right now, I have chicken hot wings with all the fat drippings, turkey with all the fat drippings, brisket with all the fat drippings, and a pork belly slab I'm getting ready to roast. I've been drowning all this meat I eat in it's own fat, and I've upped my eating to three times a day.

I'm gonna start plugging things into FitDay to see what the numbers are.

I'm glad I dropped the wine and coffee. I think both of those have an effect on getting fully keto-adapted, which is my goal right now, before I begin this experiment in earnest. I'm also certain that, for whatever reason, dairy stalls me big time. I have assumed it was the extra fat I was eating, so, that is why I want to try it this way, to see if the same thing happens with any animal fat.

BTW, how long do y'all think it will take for me to get keto-adapted? 2-4 weeks or sooner?

Dean

OK. Tonight I had some beef brisket, and I took the nice white fat I kept from the drippings, and I put a lot of this fat over the top of some fatty brisket meat and mic'd it, and it was swimming in fat. Tasted heavenly. Heart

I think I need to start coming up with some staples for this Experiment.

Here are some. Please help me find some others.

* Brisket
* Pork Belly
* Hamburger?
* Beef Ribs
* Pork Steaks

If I just pour lots of the fat over these when I eat 'em, I should be able to get my cals up there. What are some others that are especially fatty? How 'bout pork sausage?

Appreciate the help.

Also, when should I start this sucker? Cool

jeff

I say start immediately!

The pork sausage would certainly be fatty, but it would also have alot of salt, which would make you hold water. So we don't really want that. Chicken thighs are pretty fatty. Prime rib and ribeye are also favorites of mine.

Pooti

oxtails
lamb shanks
ham hocks - fresh
beef short ribs

Dean

Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

So, jeff, do you think I should not do any salt during this deal? How 'bout seasonings? What board am I on? Shock

No, really, I'm wondering just how far I should take this.

I went 14 days back in April 2007 on just naked meat, and that was SO hard to have ANY appetite. I would have to start drinking tallow to get my fat up with that WOE. I would probably get pretty sick, too. Sad

Or... should I include butter? Then it wouldn't be hard getting my fat up. I mean, I could get it up and it would be hard. Devil

We'll you know what I mean. Wink

I'm having flashbacks of our last Kool-Aid party at the back of the Bus. Wow

jeff

I'd leave butter out, because dairy is suspect. Seasoning other than salt I think will be fine. A little salt may be ok. I would think that if you've been using salt all along, then as long as you maintain the same amount of use, it would not be a problem.

Dean

Heather L

jeff

Dean

Certain hormones would be pretty ramped up, I suppose. Yup

Lynne

when i stopped seasonings, i lost my appetite. nothing tasted good.
i added back my seasonings.

dean, if you do add seasonings try this:
chili powder, cumin powder, garlic powder on top of beef ribs, short ribs.. on top of the fat on the brisket.. that combo is awesome and makes the meat really brown...

sausage has fillers.. steer clear!
unless you make your own chorizo..

Pooti

What about ghee? That has all the milk solids removed so that you have pure butter fat. Is that still a bad thing if all the casein is gone?

Dean

Lynne,

That sounds close to the combo of spices I was using when cooking steaks in lots of tallow. That was awesome. I think I used red pepper, paprika, and red curry, instead of chili powder. I'll try it with chili powder next time. Thanks for the reminder. That's another way to get my fat way up.

I get fresh made sausage at my grocery store that is just ground pork with a combo of spices mixed in. It's really good stuff. I can get chorizo or Italian or some other stuff I don't care for. I love to use the Italian sausage in omelets with provolone cheese, and even some shrooms. Heart

BTW, have you checked out my pizza recipe?

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about687.html

I doubt I'll ever make one again, but, boy were they good. Talk about calories. If I'd been counting, I would have outdone jeff. Like him, I never gained, but never lost.

Dean

Pooti, I'm not sure if they ever use ghee at those Kool-Aid parties or not. Next time, If I'm not too stoned, I'll ask one of the Boot Babes. Wink

Lynne

wow, those pizza photo's had me almost salivating.
it's nearly 6am, and not time for breakfast!!!!

with ZC, i'm not cooking up all my goodies any longer..
but you know, someday, when my body has settled at the desired weight, it's sposed to be..
i will add in a few of my favorite things and see if they cause any chaos.
but for now, i'm ok with just fat, protein and water..

i know that one of these days i'll be able to eat a whole 3 bone prime rib, all by myself... just like my ancestors did!
ahahahahahahaha!

Pooti

Dean

OK. Yesterday and today I used FitDay, just to see what was what. I ate lots of animal fat from brisket, chicken wings, and turkey. Had three large meals of meat with as much fat as I could stand.

Granted, I ate more than I have been eating, but, I was shocked to find that I exceeded 5000 calories both days! Shock

So, I would guesstimate that I have been consuming well over 3000 calories for the past couple months, and I have lost body fat, to the tune of over 6 kilos! Cool

Keep in mind, my calorie needs are about 2500 a day.

I have been feeling a bit queasy eating all this fat. I've been drowning things in animal fat. I wonder if butter would have the same effect.

Anyway, I'm gonna start this experiment tomorrow, and post the cals each day and the body fat loss (or gain) each Wednesday. At this point, I won't use butter, but, I may need to bring that into this experiment in the future.

I hope I can survive all this fat going through my system. It's really quite nasty to do this.

All in the name of science, huh? Roll Eyes

Heather L

Dean- I wish I could lose like that on 3000 plus calories a day. Wow

You men seem to have the advantage that way. Even with all the exercise I can't do that. ----I can't wait to see how your MAM experiment turns out. Cool

Dean

Heather,

What is your daily carb count, and how high animal fat are you doing? Do you do dairy?

Even though I have done super high calories over the last couple days, over 5000 at 80% fat each day, I have actually lost 0.1 kg of body fat in the last two days. Go figure. Maybe upping the cals is just the ticket to breaking a stall on this WOE. Or, it could be the absence of diary. Who knows. I'm just happy I'm not gaining.

I'm going to have to get some fish oil today (more animal fat) because I do have some inflammation in my left leg that has been there for the last couple months, and it just won't go away. I started getting other inflammation in my joints and so I've been taking vitamin C supps. Don't know if that is helping or not, but, the other inflammation seems to be reduced. Just wish my left leg did not have it. Mad

Will see if the fish oil has any effect.

jeff

Dean

Week 1 : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Jan 20

Maintenance Calories: 2107
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water

Wednesday January 14

5168 Calories
81% Fat

Chicken Wings
Turkey
Beef Brisket

This is getting pretty easy, actually. I think my body is becoming more accustomed to all the extra fat I've been adding to my meat. Hell, as cold as it is outside, it probably welcomes it. Yup

I just wish I could do butter, cuz, I could get this up to 6000 calories easy. I love eating unsalted butter. Heart

Here we go, folks. This MAM Experiment is underway! Grin

In addition to these daily posts, I will post my body fat loss (or gain) every Wednesday. By now, I have no more glycogen stores to lose, since I've been absolute zero carb for some time. So, none of this loss is going to be water weight. I will also post the daily averages of the weekly calories and fat percentages along with my maintenance calories. Weeks will go Wednesday through Tuesday.

Stay tuned. The show is on. The fun is now beginning. I'm up for it. I think I will actually lose quicker this way, because of the revved up metabolism. Futile cycles and a well-fed body should get this body fat a burnin'! Cool

Cody

Finally!

I'm looking forward to the results.

Kim

GO DEAN!!! Yup

Van

Dean, have you ever read Ray Peat's works. Not sure I totally buy into it, but I have had some nasty fish oils. I bought one's directly from Denmark, supposedly cold pressed, that I think went bad in no time. Another directly from a processor in Alaska who also claimed to be low temp produced, that ended up actually hurting my stomach immediately after taking. So I don't have a definitive opinion, for I love the idea of incorporating DHA into my diet besides the few eggs I eat from my farm, but there is a lot written about the oxidative ability of fish oils.

Heather L

Dean- I no longer track the carb grams on fitday, as it was such a drag. I just know which foods are close enough to no carbs. I do include dairy, and occasional vegetation (especially for social reasons). Even when I did track very closely, 1800 was about the maximum calories I could allow and lose any fat. --- I may have to give up dairy for awhile, or make other changes, but I am not going to do it right now. I am just going to keep up with my training, IF, HIIT and see how things progress. If I don't keep making progress, then I'll lock myself into the metabolic ward for testing. LOL

Pooti

Wooohoooo Dean, can't wait to hear the results!!!

Deb

Go Dean! Looking forward to seeing your results.

Dean

Dean

Dean

Cody

Dean, have you read Dr. Atkins book? He talks about the fat fast, and folks eating 1000 cals consisting of 90% fat lost by far the least amount of muscle than the other diets (high pro and high carb). I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to muscle. The main thing is to work those muscles, so your body knows you need to hold onto them.

Dean

1000 calories is a LOT less than 5000! LOL

Yah, with 230 g of protein, I don't think I should be worried about losing muscle. I should be worried about the toxic effects of all that protein. Wow, can I really shovel more fat into my body? Can I have some butter, please? Grin

jeff

Dean

Thursday January 15

5356 Calories
82% Fat

Chicken Wings
Beef Brisket
Turkey

Well, today, I edged the fat up a bit. Really need to get it higher, though. I'm gonna roast some pork belly tomorrow, so, that should help. Cool

I sure hope I'm not gonna gain body fat doing this many calories. Confused

If I do, AC may come up from the depths to haunt us all! Shock

Sorta like The Phantom of the Opera. Wow

He might even kidnap one of the Boot Babes! Cry

Cody

If you do gain it Dean, no worries, as you'll have a fat burning metabolism, and you should be able to burn it back off no probs, just lower your calories. I seriously doubt you will gain weight, though. At the worst, I'm guessing you stay the same.

Dean

You know, according to this newfangled calculator Pooti posted...

http://www.phlaunt.com/lowcarb/DietMakeupCalc.php

For me, it says: To maintain your body weight eat 2107 calories.

I thought my maintenance cals were more around 2500, but, they are even lower. According to this, I should be gaining about one pound a day! Shock

We'd better lock up the Boot Babes, just to play it safe. Yup

We can hide 'em in my cell. Devil

Loops

Hi Dean -

just saw this and wanting to wish you luck! Or maybe you won't need it with all that fat anyway!

I love these experiments. One day I might try one myself - I get stuffed pretty easily though on anything over about 2000Kcal.

Loops

jeff

Dean, I am impressed that you are eating over 5000 cals per day, and without supplementing with butter, cream, etc. I had a hard time getting to around 4000 per day. Although, I did have a few days where I was 5000-6000. Most people would think it would be easy and fun to eat that much, but it's really quite a chore, isn't it?

Heather L

I don't think AC would mess with any of the Boot Babes... some of them are armed with whips, you know. Devil

I am sure they would love to visit your cell, just in case.

Dean

Heather, I think you're right! Yup

Perhaps we should get all these Boot Babes (with whips) together and have a few meetings (in my cell, or even the back of the Bus) to practice some of these defensive moves. Devil

Maybe jeff will even volunteer to be a subject for that. Wink

Dean

Dean

Pooti

How do you powder meat? Do you think if you dried it, then froze it, then processed it that would do it? I can't see myself sitting there with a molcahette pounding out dried beef! :D

Dean

Pooti,

You dry it on rocks, out in the blazing sun, then you beat it for hours with other rocks to pulverize it. Wink

OR... if you have a dehydrator (or Nuwave), a food processor, and a small coffee grinder, you can first put the dried meat into a food processor to get it as ground up as possible, then, you feed this stuff into the coffee grinder and grind the crap out of it, until it is the consistency of white flour or powdered sugar (pick your poison). What I did was took it one step further and used a flour sifter and some fine mesh strainers to make sure the stuff that was "done" was very, very fine. Took a long time, but I now have a huge gallon freezer bag full of this glorious stuff. It is dried bison round, but it is as fine as cumin.

If you're so inclined, you can also dry various berries with the meat, and then grind and pulverize all of it at the same time, mixing it together as you go. The natives would call this "sweet beat meat". No foolin'. Cool

Cody

Oh Dean, I think that would make an awesome username. That's it, change my name to "sweet beat meat"! " LOL

That pemmican with berries would be awesome with a little habanero sauce thrown in.

Valcan

Hi,

My hubby just got some teeth pulled and then the post office lost his new dentures so he was without top teeth for about 10 days. He could not chew so I would dehydrate beef for him in my Nuwave then throw it into by Magic Bullet until it was ground up. I mixed it with some beef tallow I had rendered a few a weeks ago. This is what he lived on mainly. Unfortunately, he is not a ZC'er and washed his pemmican down with coffee with ample amounts of sugar in it (probably the reason he had to get dentures - years of drinking this syrupy mess). If he would have dropped the carbs, he could have been my very own ZC experiment. Good luck with mixing up a batch, Dean.

Val

jeff

Dean

Friday January 16

5833 Calories
84% Fat

Beef Brisket
Turkey
Pork Belly

The animal fat fest continues. Cool

My highest calories and fat percentage yet! Thumbs Up

Boy, after that first meal, I almost puked! LOL

I was spooning down all that brisket fat and got so nauseous. Bonkers

It subsided in about a half hour or so. Although, I was pretty bloated after each of these three large meals.

I roasted a couple 20 lb turkeys awhile back, and split up the various parts into different gallon freezer bags, and strained all the drippings into small containers, and now I'm pullin' this stuff out of the freezer, putting different parts and skin and beautiful breast meat, along with lots of the fat, into a covered glass container that I use to mic this stuff. It is then just swimming in so much fat. Yup

I really did a fine job on seasoning these turkeys. Boy, they are delicious. I roast these guys breast side down, with the lid on the roaster, and they just fall to pieces when I take them out of the oven, and the skin is so nice and golden brown. The bird is wading in a huge amount of fat, with the breast totally submerged in this delicious pool. This breast meat is the best I've ever had. Soooo tender.

This pork belly I roasted... whoa! I used Red's recipe.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about623.html

And, you can bet I did not do the naked belly. I went all out and rubbed both sides with all the spices. Talk about grandiose tasting stuff! Melt in your mouth hog heaven. Heart

I dip pieces of this hog cake into the best chinese dips I make with red/black vinegar and hot sesame oil and chili oil.

I am on cloud fricken ninety-nine, eatin' all this wonderful animal fat. Grin

jeff

Dean, you seem to be enjoying this just a little too much. LOL

Do you feel any different lately?

Dean

It's the only thing that keeps me motivated to keep shoveling all this fricken food into my mouth!

Here's the deal. I love preparing these meats, and I love eating them, but, when I eat this much, especially with all the fat I've been consuming, afterwards, I get to feeling pretty sick. And, I even get that speedy feeling, like when you drink way too much coffee. It's a good thing I quit the java. All this fat is giving me way too much energy!

Hell, this morning I was still feeling sick from all that pork belly I ate. That stuff is so fatty. Of course, I ate the skin, which tastes like cracklins, and I had put a lot of seasoning on it, but, still, I was way too queasy to blame it just on that. It's these ridiculous quantities of food that are making me a bit ill. I'm used to IFing all day and just eating once, in the evening, and maybe eating a small amount of food later on. So, this has been hard, jeff.

I have to make it fun and get into the cooking and seasoning side of things to keep going. No way could I do naked meat and eat this many calories. I mean, you had a hard time, and you were able to eat butter and drink down heavy cream. I'd be in heaven, pushing 7000 calories, if I could do dairy.

I think I am going to have no choice but to reduce my calories somewhat. Now, if I could start using butter, I'd have no problem keeping them elevated. I don't think butter is necessarily going to stall me, is it? Confused

jeff

Cody

I think Ghee might be ok, it's clarified butter. When you clarify it, you remove all of the milk solids from it. It's then pure fat.

Dean

Dean

Saturday January 17

4911 Calories
82% Fat

Beef Brisket
Turkey
Pork Belly

Well, I almost got in 5000+ cals again. Wink

I feel like a total glutton, consuming all this meat and fat! LOL

My bets are on Eades' explanations of futile cycles and the body not touching fat stores if dietary fat is high enough. I'm going to make sure my daily calorie average is over 5000 this first week, then, next week I'll make sure it is over 4000, and so on. We'll see which week I start burning my own body fat for fuel. How's that for a plan? Cool

Valcan

Hi Dean,

That is an awesome plan! It may just answer some of the questions I have. I am still stalled at the same weight I stopped losing at in April. Thanks for doing this experiment!

Val

Dean

Sunday January 18

5062 Calories
90% Fat

Beef Brisket
Pork Belly

Just got it over 5K on the cals... and look at that fat percentage. Cool

Decided to eat the fattiest stuff I've got to get those cals and fat ratios up.

Just wish this was gonna help me lose some fat around my belly. LOL

Well, at least I don't appear to be gaining, which is quite spooky, really. Wink

Dean

Pooti

Hey Dean,

I just posted a re-print of a blog post written by Peter over at Hyperlipid about ASP (Acylation Stimulating Protein). It's a pretty interesting read.
Here's the link to it:

www.weightytalk.blogspot.com

It addresses fat regulation - storage and mobilization. He seems to think it is possible to gain fat if the calories are high enough. It will be so interesting to see what happens with your experiment.

Heather L

jeff

Leave it to Heather #2. LOL

Heather L

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Cody

Well heather, I was hoping to hear a comment about you maybe lending a helping hand? LOL

Dean

Yes, with all that hot melted butter, it's quite easy, huh, Heather? Devil

Dean

Monday January 19

5422 Calories
93% Fat

Pork Belly
Beef Ribs

Ate a huge amount of food today. It seems that ever since I started doing this, I've been stretching my stomach so much that it feels "empty" more often, and I can eat more. What's happening to me?! Shock

The ribs I ate today were like over 75% fat, and I was just swallowing the fat down along with the small amount of meat. It was very disgusting, to say the least. My stomach was sorta hurting for awhile afterwards.

All in the name of science, huh? Roll Eyes

I can't wait till Wednesday gets here! LOL

Cody

Dean, I feel for you. I start to get a little disgusted at 80% fat. Seems like ~70% is the sweet spot for me.

Dean

Yah, and that may actually be necessary in order to lose weight. I mean, you can't drop protein too far, so, if you are doing ZC, there is only fat to drop, huh?

Cody

Well, the amount of protein we actually need is very small.

Keep in mind, that when your body converts back triglycerides into free fatty acids, there is a leftover glycerol molecule. This can be used by the organs that still need glucose. Not all of our glucose needs HAVE to come from protein. A high fat diet has been shown to have a protein sparing effect, at least in VLC (as in Very Low Calorie) diets. You have plenty of cals, so I wouldn't worry about getting in enough protein. I would say 80 grams per day would be plenty to maintain muscle mass. It only becomes an issue if you are starving and NOT working the muscles.