intestinal flora with zero carb diet

Van · intestinal flora with zero carb diet

Years ago I was heavily interested in human intestinal flora. My goats were in milk and I was researching and in contact with a very smart Phd. guy who has his own company that manufactures all kinds of intestinal flora for companies all around the world. Included were acidopholus, bifidus, etc.... These strains, and there are thousands of them, were human implantable strains, the same ones isolated from human colostrum. I made raw goat yogurt and raw kefirs from kefirs that I had sought out. Point is that then, when I had a carb based diet, I think one could easily believe that my intestines were heavily implanted with those strains. And if one deducts, it seems logical that most people who are innoculated naturally by breast feeding and who eat enough carbs to feed those bacteria also have high numbers of those initial strains. I think the majority at birth are the Bifidus Longum and infantis, also brevis, along with acidopholis types. But now here we are, zero carb, no sugars to feed those bacteria. What happens. What takes their place. I think Geoff on another forum strongly suggests high meat. I haven't read specifially from him that these bacteria on the high meat take residence in ones large intestine, but he does state how important they are. He says he wishes he started eating it way earlier than when he did. If indeed it is true that we have more bacteria cells in our large intestine than all the other cells in our body put together, what are these bacteria cells that now exist in a zero carb enviroment.
Has anyone come across any literature that explains this? My guess is that a low carb diet could provide enough energy for the typical human strains to maintain themselves. But not zero carb diets like ours.

AlexF

What I've always wondered is, assuming we ingest said intestinal flora in foods like yogurt or those probiotic pills they sell, how do these critters survive the acid in our stomach?

Dean

I'm not trying to interject any religious teachings or mind control here, but, from all the microbiology lecture classes and labs I have taken (got over 100% in all my science classes)...

Obviously, stomach acid does not kill all bacteria and parasites, even in cats, who have stronger stomach acid than us humans, although ours is pretty strong, not like an herbivore. Some prokaryotes use ion membrane channels (usually chloride channels) in response to high extracellular acid concentrations. This helps them survive the low pH of our stomach, and make their way to our intestines. If our stomach acid killed all these critters, I'd start eating ALL my meat raw right now! Yup

Oh, and I'm not making any of this up... you can look it up for yourself. I'm not trying to indoctrinate anyone or anything. Roll Eyes

However, I am recruiting all SAs to come to this week's SAA meeting. Kristelle is in charge of the Kool-Aid, so you know what that means. Devil

Anyway, sorry... carry on...

Outta Here

Jude

Some interesting reading out there in the world about Acid Resistant E. Coli, too... Wow

and, no surprise, they are off the charts in grain-fed (and stockyard stuffed) beef cattle. Devil

AlexF

Dean

Alex,

It's not so much a claim as it is an observation. I've actually seen these guys survive in a Petri dish. Easy to subject them to a certain pH and watch 'em live to colonize another day. Wink

~mina~

not what the OP is asking, but still interesting:

jem51

what i want to know is; how did those cave dwellers get their pro biotics? AND did they analize their poop and make changes in diet based on what they saw? hmmmmm. i'm thinking that if we get back to that way of eating, probiotics will be the last thing on our minds....i hope. when do we get to stop obsessing? when i'm completely vegetation free, my body still functions well and in fact, better than when there's vegetation involved. i go everyday that i eat. long as i eat enough and include plenty of fat, no worries!!

Van · intestinal flora

It's not so much about where they got their probiotics, for I am most sure they all were breast fed. Something that a lot of us can't claim. But even that fact. For the bifida bacteria given by the mother doesn't seem to be supported by a zero carb diet. Or having been predominately a carb eater and hence supporting a carb based intestinal flora for over fifty years, and now eating zero carb, the question I am curious about, and that's just curious, is, what kind of bacteria is down there. Probably very similar to a true carnivore animal in the wild. Hence the comment earlier bout how on Geoff's forum site, he has said several times how he had wished he'd eaten meat that had gone off way before he did. That it helped him immensely. Personally having eaten raw meat for over fifteen years I still am finding my way to trying that experiment for myself. But my guess is that as with any other animal in the wild, including my dogs, they will readily go for 'rotten' meat. And why, maybe for the introduced bacteria that may take residence in their intestines. The inuit are notorious for 'rotting' their fish. Once again should anyone have any sites discussing the flora of a carnivore, human or other, would love to read it.

jem51

i really think the probiotic obsession came w the high carb/low fat. i was veg for many years and obsessed about clean intestines. i actually seemed to always feel that i needed a cleanse....like there was always more in there. giving up starches/sugar has eliminated that feeling. when i eat more vegetation, i feel that way again. the thing is that when you feed 'good' bacteria w carbs, you also feed 'bad'. i have stopped obsessing because it is all aboout how i feel. remember all those pictures of strange thing that peop expelled during cleanses and how there's supposed to be all these strange, hard things lurking in the pockets of the intestines? well, i have assisted in many colonoscopies and have NEVER seen anything like that. and those patients were not health nuts. i might have to agree w the idea of 'it's just a way to make $$'. kind of the flip side of prescription drugs.

Kim

I think what people are expelling when they do a cleanse is the cleanse itself. I know people that have done experiments mixing the cleanse with water and letting it sit there for a while and it looks in the jar like what comes out of a person.

Kim

Van · intestinal flora

I agree. However, the internal tissues of the large intestine can be full of toxins just like a sponge, or, the enlarged nose on an older toxic man.

Deb

Dean

Semen Addicts. LOL

You can thank one of our Heather's for that one. Wink

I think Kristelle spells it Seamen Addicts. Devil

Check out this thread, Deb.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic1361-0-0-asc-.php

jeff

Heather L

Uh, some jokes are just too good to pass up. Oops

I have been known to run amok from time to time. At least I don't do it alone.lol

Deb