jeff
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Keto-adaptation wing of the WardI finally decided to "piss on it"............some keto-stix, that is. I just tested this morning. The color showed something in betwen negative and trace. So I guess I'm pretty well adapted.
Now, what am I going to do with the other 99 test strips that I have? Anybody have a request for an experiment? Within reason, of course.
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Dean
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Eat one donut and piss on a stick. See how bright you can get it.
 Wait! That'd be my experiment! 
Seriously, maybe you could see how certain things like coffee or wine or cream affected things. Just how soon after eating to try it would be the trick. But, you've got lots of these to experiment with, right? 
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Dean
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So, where do I get some of these stix? I've never even seen them, but, heard plenty about them. I can't wait to try it with a donut! 
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jeff
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| Dean wrote: | | So, where do I get some of these stix? I've never even seen them, but, heard plenty about them. I can't wait to try it with a donut! |
Just about any pharmacy should have them. They're in the diabetes care area. You can get 100 of them for under $15. Better stock up on the donuts! 
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dean! youre not supposed to have donuts not even for experiments, mister! 
ummm.. i cant think of any experiements other than what dean said about coffee and cream and stuff.
do you think those sticks are accurate? and if so.. do you think youre still spilling some ketones because of cream? although trace seems like youre fairly adapted..
ive also heard high fat will show up on the sticks.. what do you think?
ive never done anything like that.. dont really plan on it either so it'll be neat to see what you come up with. although im getting lots of tests in may so that will be interesting too.
besides.. like i said before.. its a guy thing really
have fun 
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jeff
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| ~mina~ wrote: | dean! youre not supposed to have donuts not even for experiments, mister!
ummm.. i cant think of any experiements other than what dean said about coffee and cream and stuff.
do you think those sticks are accurate? and if so.. do you think youre still spilling some ketones because of cream? although trace seems like youre fairly adapted..
ive also heard high fat will show up on the sticks.. what do you think?
ive never done anything like that.. dont really plan on it either so it'll be neat to see what you come up with. although im getting lots of tests in may so that will be interesting too.
besides.. like i said before.. its a guy thing really
have fun |
I cant imagine why they wouldnt be accurate. But who knows. I've never heard of fat showing up on the strips. We don't pee out excess fat, do we?
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Dean
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| ~mina~ wrote: | | besides.. like i said before.. its a guy thing really |
Sword fight!
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jeff
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| Dean wrote: | | ~mina~ wrote: | | besides.. like i said before.. its a guy thing really |
Sword fight! |
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~mina~
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lol no but i promise I heard it from somewhere.. I dont know. the ketones that show up are the excess leftover that you dont burn for fuel.. so I dont know maybe if you eat way too much fat it would show that?
although the amount of water you take in will affect what shows on the strips.. you might not show anything if you are too diluted hehe
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Dean
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Dean
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~mina~
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Dean
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It's an emoticon hijacking!
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~mina~
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 << this one is the cutest
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Dean
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~mina~
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ok that ones cute too!
jeff's gonna be mad that I came in and redecorated his room while he was away muwahaha
*flowers and sparkles everywhere* *painting the walls pink with rainbows* *giant fluffy pillows and cute little puppies running around*
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lex_rooker
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Re: Keto-adaptation Wing of the Ward | jeff wrote: | | The color showed something in betwen negative and trace. So I guess I'm pretty well adapted. |
This is the same result that I get after 3 years of this adventure. I do notice that heavy physical labor will cause the sticks to go all the way to moderate on occasion. I guess this is when I'm not taking in enough food to meet immediate energy demands so my body dips into fat reserves.
Lex
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Dean
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| ~mina~ wrote: | | *flowers and sparkles everywhere* *painting the walls pink with rainbows* *giant fluffy pillows and cute little puppies running around* |
jeff's gonna love that!
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~mina~
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i know you guys secretly love it.. you just wont admit it.
thanks, lex! very interesting.
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Dean
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Hey, if there were cute little kittens running around, I'd be in heaven! And, if you spread some psychedelic day-glo art on the walls and put on some black lights and body paint, and we all had some of Shawn's finest , then I think this wing would be a rockin' place! 
Of course, it still wouldn't be as wild as the back of the Bus! 
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ok we can have kittens..
but they need pink ribbons around their necks
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jeff
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| ~mina~ wrote: | ok we can have kittens..
but they need pink ribbons around their necks |
Please, no kittens in the keto-adaptation wing of the ward!!! 
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jeff
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| ~mina~ wrote: | lol no but i promise I heard it from somewhere.. I dont know. the ketones that show up are the excess leftover that you dont burn for fuel.. so I dont know maybe if you eat way too much fat it would show that?
although the amount of water you take in will affect what shows on the strips.. you might not show anything if you are too diluted hehe |
Well, Bear claimed that once adapted, the body would use for fuel virtually all ketones that were produced. None would be spilled.
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Tracy
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| jeff wrote: |
Well, Bear claimed that once adapted, the body would use for fuel virtually all ketones that were produced. None would be spilled. |
So would testing throughout the contest be a good way of tracking adaptation? Like, seeing the colour go down over the month or so would indicate you're using more ketones for fuel, etc. I might track this.
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jeff
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| Tracy wrote: | | jeff wrote: |
Well, Bear claimed that once adapted, the body would use for fuel virtually all ketones that were produced. None would be spilled. |
So would testing throughout the contest be a good way of tracking adaptation? Like, seeing the colour go down over the month or so would indicate you're using more ketones for fuel, etc. I might track this. |
It would seem so, Tracy. I'd like to see a few people do this during the May challenge. How about it, folks?
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lex_rooker
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If you are still losing weight then you'll probably see more ketones than you will after your weight stablizes - at least this is what happened to me. While still losing weight my ketones were often in the low to moderate range. Once my weight stablized, ketones dropped to somewhere between negative and slight.
They hover in this region unless I do an unusual amount of physical exertion and then they climb again - often to the moderate range - but fall quickly back to the "just detectable" level within 24 hours after physical exertion stops.
No clue what causes this. My guess is that the body sees the extra exertion and prepares for it to be continuous and so starts turning fat into ketones to support the extra work. When the exertion stops the higher blood levels of ketones are no longer necessary and the excess is disposed of in the urine. All of this is speculation of course, but seems resonable.
Lex
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jeff
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| lex_rooker wrote: | If you are still losing weight then you'll probably see more ketones than you will after your weight stablizes - at least this is what happened to me. While still losing weight my ketones were often in the low to moderate range. Once my weight stablized, ketones dropped to somewhere between negative and slight.
They hover in this region unless I do an unusual amount of physical exertion and then they climb again - often to the moderate range - but fall quickly back to the "just detectable" level within 24 hours after physical exertion stops.
No clue what causes this. My guess is that the body sees the extra exertion and prepares for it to be continuous and so starts turning fat into ketones to support the extra work. When the exertion stops the higher blood levels of ketones are no longer necessary and the excess is disposed of in the urine. All of this is speculation of course, but seems resonable.
Lex |
Lex, that explanation does seem quite reasonable.
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Craig
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Re: Keto-adaptation Wing of the Ward | lex_rooker wrote: | | jeff wrote: | | The color showed something in betwen negative and trace. So I guess I'm pretty well adapted. |
This is the same result that I get after 3 years of this adventure. I do notice that heavy physical labor will cause the sticks to go all the way to moderate on occasion. I guess this is when I'm not taking in enough food to meet immediate energy demands so my body dips into fat reserves.
Lex |
That happens to me too. Part of it may be from sweating and the body responding by concentrating the urine. No doubt that more ketones are also being produced to meet energy requirements as well.
Craig
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jeff
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I just tested for ketones. Completely negative. Not even leaning towards trace.
I had breakfast 3 hours ago. Eggs fried in butter, turkey, cheese, coffee with heavy whipping cream. I also had 3 glasses of wine last night. If the wine had an impact on my adaptation, it was very temporary.
Perhaps for an experiment I will drink some wine and then test for ketones at regular intervals for several hours afterward.
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~mina~
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yep Ive read this happening on bodybuilding forums too.
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Craig
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| jeff wrote: | I just tested for ketones. Completely negative. Not even leaning towards trace.
I had breakfast 3 hours ago. Eggs fried in butter, turkey, cheese, coffee with heavy whipping cream. I also had 3 glasses of wine last night. If the wine had an impact on my adaptation, it was very temporary.
Perhaps for an experiment I will drink some wine and then test for ketones at regular intervals for several hours afterward. |
The alcohol should make you show ketones.
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jeff
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| Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: | I just tested for ketones. Completely negative. Not even leaning towards trace.
I had breakfast 3 hours ago. Eggs fried in butter, turkey, cheese, coffee with heavy whipping cream. I also had 3 glasses of wine last night. If the wine had an impact on my adaptation, it was very temporary.
Perhaps for an experiment I will drink some wine and then test for ketones at regular intervals for several hours afterward. |
The alcohol should make you show ketones. |
From what I've read, I'd say that's correct. In the prescence of alcohol, the body supposedly will stop burning ketones and switch to burning the alcohol. I believe I read that in the Atkins book. We will see. 
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Craig
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| jeff wrote: | | Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: | I just tested for ketones. Completely negative. Not even leaning towards trace.
I had breakfast 3 hours ago. Eggs fried in butter, turkey, cheese, coffee with heavy whipping cream. I also had 3 glasses of wine last night. If the wine had an impact on my adaptation, it was very temporary.
Perhaps for an experiment I will drink some wine and then test for ketones at regular intervals for several hours afterward. |
The alcohol should make you show ketones. |
From what I've read, I'd say that's correct. In the prescence of alcohol, the body supposedly will stop burning ketones and switch to burning the alcohol. I believe I read that in the Atkins book. We will see. |
Plus alcohol is metabolized by the liver into ketones. This is why alcohol will cause you to stop burning your own fat.
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jeff
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| Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: | | Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: | I just tested for ketones. Completely negative. Not even leaning towards trace.
I had breakfast 3 hours ago. Eggs fried in butter, turkey, cheese, coffee with heavy whipping cream. I also had 3 glasses of wine last night. If the wine had an impact on my adaptation, it was very temporary.
Perhaps for an experiment I will drink some wine and then test for ketones at regular intervals for several hours afterward. |
The alcohol should make you show ketones. |
From what I've read, I'd say that's correct. In the prescence of alcohol, the body supposedly will stop burning ketones and switch to burning the alcohol. I believe I read that in the Atkins book. We will see. |
Plus alcohol is metabolized by the liver into ketones. This is why alcohol will cause you to stop burning your own fat. |
Do you suppose that if one is keto-adapted that they might use the ketones for energy before they can be excreted?
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Craig
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| jeff wrote: |
Do you suppose that if one is keto-adapted that they might use the ketones for energy before they can be excreted? |
It's possible but it would depend on how many bottles of wine you drank 
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jeff
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| Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: |
Do you suppose that if one is keto-adapted that they might use the ketones for energy before they can be excreted? |
It's possible but it would depend on how many bottles of wine you drank |
Yes, I'm thinking the quanity of alcohol would make a difference. I don't normally drink more than on e bottle in a single sitting.
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Badger
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Jeff, just to check, but when are you doing your testing? I bought some keto stix about a month, month and a half ago. I took my first few readings during the middle of the day and got the same results that you are, between negative and trace. I was a bit perplexed at these results as I had not yet (and still haven't) experienced that burst of energy that is supposed to appear with keto-adaptation. Then I read, (I believe on Lex's post) that you should take the reading when you void urine for the very first time in the morning as the ketones will build up overnight. Since doing that my readings have mostly been moderate, sometimes low, sometimes high.
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jeff
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| Badger wrote: | | Jeff, just to check, but when are you doing your testing? I bought some keto stix about a month, month and a half ago. I took my first few readings during the middle of the day and got the same results that you are, between negative and trace. I was a bit perplexed at these results as I had not yet (and still haven't) experienced that burst of energy that is supposed to appear with keto-adaptation. Then I read, (I believe on Lex's post) that you should take the reading when you void urine for the very first time in the morning as the ketones will build up overnight. Since doing that my readings have mostly been moderate, sometimes low, sometimes high. |
Thanks Badger. I have not yet tested first thing in the morning. I guess I'll have to do that.
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jeff
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I tested for ketones first thing this morning. I did show a "small" amount. I wonder if that means I'm not completely adapted, or if it is normal to show some ketones first thing in the morning, even if one is adapted.
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jeff
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I was just looking through Bear's words of wisdom. He says a slight purple color is not significant.
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Kristelle
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I think the reason I may have failed in adapting to ketones is due to sex hormones, namely progesterone instructing the body to hold on to fat. This probably explains why men usually have more success with zero or very-low carb than women. What do I know?! Right??
In any case, I've eliminated yet once again progesterone and plan to take some estrogen only, which actually increases fat burning. Like testosterone, the male hormone. So, we'll see what happens.
It just ain't normal that on a diet of practically no carbs for many months that my ketones remained mostly high (usually dark purple at any time of the day). I HATE men...  but in the end, they make my life more enjoyable, in many ways. 
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| jeff wrote: | | I tested for ketones first thing this morning. I did show a "small" amount. I wonder if that means I'm not completely adapted, or if it is normal to show some ketones first thing in the morning, even if one is adapted. |
Awesome 
You give me hope that someday it may happen to me too.  Though it has been frustrating to learn that I am one of those "few" (according to the Bear) for whom that adaptation process takes months and not weeks 
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jeff
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Re: Keto-adaptation Wing of the Ward | Craig wrote: | | lex_rooker wrote: | | jeff wrote: | | The color showed something in betwen negative and trace. So I guess I'm pretty well adapted. |
This is the same result that I get after 3 years of this adventure. I do notice that heavy physical labor will cause the sticks to go all the way to moderate on occasion. I guess this is when I'm not taking in enough food to meet immediate energy demands so my body dips into fat reserves.
Lex |
That happens to me too. Part of it may be from sweating and the body responding by concentrating the urine. No doubt that more ketones are also being produced to meet energy requirements as well.
Craig |
I tested positive for ketones today several hours after my 7 mile run. It showed in between small and moderate.
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jeff
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I tested the effects of wine on ketone excretion tonight. I started by taking a ketone test before drinking any wine. It showed negative. I then drank 4 glasses of wine over the next 3.5 hours. One hour after beginning drinking, I showed something between negative and trace amounts of ketones. I tested again after 3.5 hours. I still showed only a trace of ketones.
Apparently the wine had little effect. It could be that I tested too soon, I suppose. But I thought alcohol was metabolized pretty quickly. I will test again first thing in the morning.
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Craig
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| jeff wrote: | I tested the effects of wine on ketone excretion tonight. I started by taking a ketone test before drinking any wine. It showed negative. I then drank 4 glasses of wine over the next 3.5 hours. One hour after beginning drinking, I showed something between negative and trace amounts of ketones. I tested again after 3.5 hours. I still showed only a trace of ketones.
Apparently the wine had little effect. It could be that I tested too soon, I suppose. But I thought alcohol was metabolized pretty quickly. I will test again first thing in the morning. |
It sounds like you were using them then. Doesn't it take a glass of wine about an hour to be metabolized? Try drinking all four glasses in a row and see what happens. :-)
Craig
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jeff
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| Craig wrote: | | jeff wrote: | I tested the effects of wine on ketone excretion tonight. I started by taking a ketone test before drinking any wine. It showed negative. I then drank 4 glasses of wine over the next 3.5 hours. One hour after beginning drinking, I showed something between negative and trace amounts of ketones. I tested again after 3.5 hours. I still showed only a trace of ketones.
Apparently the wine had little effect. It could be that I tested too soon, I suppose. But I thought alcohol was metabolized pretty quickly. I will test again first thing in the morning. |
It sounds like you were using them then. Doesn't it take a glass of wine about an hour to be metabolized? Try drinking all four glasses in a row and see what happens. :-)
Craig |
WooHoo!!! Party!!!
Yes, one "drink"....1 ounce of hard liquor, 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine......is metablolized in about one hour in an average sized person.
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Craig
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LOL!
Now that's a party!
*livers may be harmed in the making of this experiment
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jeff
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| Craig wrote: | LOL!
Now that's a party!
*livers may be harmed in the making of this experiment |
I'm feeling woozy just looking at all those glasses of wine.
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jeff
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| jeff wrote: | I tested the effects of wine on ketone excretion tonight. I started by taking a ketone test before drinking any wine. It showed negative. I then drank 4 glasses of wine over the next 3.5 hours. One hour after beginning drinking, I showed something between negative and trace amounts of ketones. I tested again after 3.5 hours. I still showed only a trace of ketones.
Apparently the wine had little effect. It could be that I tested too soon, I suppose. But I thought alcohol was metabolized pretty quickly. I will test again first thing in the morning. |
I tested first thing this morning. It showed a small amount of ketones.....same as last time I tested first thing in the morning.
I'll have to conclude that the amount of alcohol I cosumed did not have any effect.
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Shelly
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I'm confused.
I thought the stix turning dark was a GOOD thing...huh?
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jeff
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| Shelly wrote: | I'm confused.
I thought the stix turning dark was a GOOD thing...huh? |
The stix turning dark means you are producing ketones, but not using them for energy. As you become keto-adapted, you begin using the ketones. You're still producing them, but you will not be spilling them.
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Dean
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| jeff wrote: | | I'll have to conclude that the amount of alcohol I cosumed did not have any effect. |
Well, then, by all means, drink some more!
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jeff
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Re: Keto-adaptation Wing of the Ward | jeff wrote: | | Craig wrote: | | lex_rooker wrote: | | jeff wrote: | | The color showed something in betwen negative and trace. So I guess I'm pretty well adapted. |
This is the same result that I get after 3 years of this adventure. I do notice that heavy physical labor will cause the sticks to go all the way to moderate on occasion. I guess this is when I'm not taking in enough food to meet immediate energy demands so my body dips into fat reserves.
Lex |
That happens to me too. Part of it may be from sweating and the body responding by concentrating the urine. No doubt that more ketones are also being produced to meet energy requirements as well.
Craig |
I tested positive for ketones today several hours after my 7 mile run. It showed in between small and moderate. |
Yesterday I tested for ketones after another 7 mile run. It came out completely negative.
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Nicola
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Jeff, this has changed for Lex...
Nicola
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jeff
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| Nicola wrote: | Jeff, this has changed for Lex...
Nicola |
How?
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Nicola
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His ketones are not small/moderate (he has started to run, which is new to his body).
Nicola
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jeff
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| Nicola wrote: | His ketones are not small/moderate (he has started to run, which is new to his body).
Nicola |
Thanks Nicola. Yes, I just saw his recent posts in the Raw Paleo Forum.
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