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| Diane |
Losing weight too Fast?Well with the deaths of my Mother-in-Law and mother last month and the official paper from work telling me my job is gone on September 19. My stress disappeared so I started to eat clean carnivore on Monday.The foods I have been eating is 3 to 4 raw egg yolks for breakfast 2 to 3 bnls sknlss chicken breasts for lunch with mayo ,salt and pepper. Added 1 tbsp lard to the mayo Supper can be rib eye steak b-b-q , skin on chicken thighs baked or salmon sashimi. Those are the foods I ate for the last 5 days and because I'm too curious, I weighed this morning and was shocked to see I have dropped 9.8 lbs in five days. Can I expect results like that to continue or is that just a fluke. My son is also pushing me to start weightlifting again but I read that exercise wouldn't help with weight loss. Any thoughts on that guys, remember I am an older female, you men have it so easy. Any ways I haven't had such a quick drop in weight before maybe a lb or 2 if I was real lucky. Thanks Diane |
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| jeff |
Diane, I would not expect that rate of loss to continue. Something along the lines of a couple of pounds a week seems more realistic.
Congrats, though! |
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| Diane |
Hi Jeff
I'll take a couple lbs down a week. I didn't seem to lose weight very well over the last year the only thing I could say is my stress level was through the roof. What is your take on exercise is it helpful? I have an aversion to cardio. I did hours of it when I did W.W years ago and gained 22 lbs. So I am leary about it benefits, mind you that was a Low fat Hi-carb point system crap diet. Maybe eating a high to moderate fat, moderate protein diet would give me better results. I was discouraged by them to do any weight lifting, saying I would get too big. I believe that is a lie. I like to read up on such things, so if any one has any good articles on fitness and diet please let me know. I have checked out the chronicle cave looking for info. Thanks Diane |
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| jeff |
I think lots of stress can hamper weight loss. Weight lifting is fine. You will not get big. I also think cardio is fine, but not the traditional kind, where you try to get into that "fat burning zone". I think that is B.S. I thiink to have much effect on fat loss, cardio needs to be done with intensity. I'd recommend some kind of interval training. Get your heart rate up to at least 90% of your max, keep it there for a short time, then work at an easier pace to recover. Repeat. As you get in better shape, you can lengthen you intense intervals. I run 1 mile, then walk 30-40 seconds, then repeat several times. But I've been doing this for a couple of years. |
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| Sol |
Hi Diane,
If you were eating lots of plant matter before those five days of carnivore then the 9 pounds is probably largely water loss. I use body fat percentage plus how I look and feel in my clothes to know if I'm moving in the right direction. Weight lifting won't make you bulky, especially as a woman, unless you really really really go out of your way to get huge. Bodybuilders who get big eat tons of calories, and they work out A LOT to get so big. It's not a problem. What I've been learning about exercise is that it's better for gaining muscle than for burning fat. If you're wanting to lose some body fat and you're eating carnivore and you're not losing fat fast enough then you could add some cardio to your life until you lose the amount of body fat you want to lose and then the carnivore diet will keep you from regaining the fat. Overall, I think the best exercise for burning fat is what's called functional exercise. That's when you use all of your body in a movement. Combine that with some intensity for several 20 or 30 minute workouts a week and you'll burn fat. Those step class videos are a great example of functonal fitness. So are martial arts. I lift weights but want to burn some stored fat. I plan to do some functional workouts starting in mid-June after I get back from a trip to Asia. I'll create a circuit of exercises and do several circuits. My circuits might include jumping jacks, jumping rope, climbing stairs quickly, bouncing on a trampoline, and sprinting for 30 seconds. I used to do a lot of cardio, including jogging. In recent years it hasn't helped me to get lean at all. I think carnivore diet plus short bouts of intense exercise is a winning combination. Ultimately, whatever you enjoy most is worth doing for feeling good about your body. I think Craig Ballantyne has it figured out. He sells a $40 system - Turbulence Training. I've not tried it but I'm on his mailing list and he sends lots of free exercise tips. You might want to get on his list: http://www.turbulencetraining.com/ Sol |
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| Sol |
Great minds think alike.  I was in the middle of typing my reply when Jeff posted his. Interval training, as Jeff does, is also great stuff. There's a former Olympic runner, Jeff Galloway, who has several books on running. He has people do cycles of run+walk. He says it greatly reduces chances of injury. He has people train for marathons this way and says many people improve their marathon time by taking walking breaks. Even if you're not interested in running a marathon you could use his approach. Start by jogging for a minute then walking for a minute. Gradually increase that to cycles of jogging for 6-8 minutes then walking for a minute. You will get better benefits from 20-30 minute intense workouts than from long slow cardio sessions.
Sol |
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| Dean |
Hey, Diane,
Congrats on the loss and getting back to carnivore eating! 
I think that weight loss was mostly water from your glycogen stores emptying. You can expect to continue losing if you track calories and create a deficit. Check Sol's thread in the Cafe and the link to Eades blog that Nicola posted. http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1328.html What jeff and Sol are saying about exercise is right on. I would add this advice to theirs. Don't expect long slow cardio to help you lose weight. Don't ever expect that. However, if you like to do it, it is good for you in other ways. Getting your heart rate up from a resting state, and getting lymph and blood flow is very important to your health. Your mental health can also be greatly improved with any type of exercise. The more you enjoy the exercise, the better. HTH. You might want to check out Heather's Cardio Free Experiment thread in the Tribal Games forum. http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1074.html She is such an inspiration. 
If you want, you can also join the June Contest. We'd love to have ya! 
http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1304.html
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| Jessica |
Diane, I don't know how much you have to lose, but usually the more you have to lose, and eating carnivore on top of it, you'll lose a lot pretty fast until you reach goal. 
Btw... salmon sashimi.... my favorite!!!
If you get stuck, go to www.fitday.com and log everything that you eat, and weigh yourself everyday. That way you can see how much you need to eat to lose, gain, or maintain. Jessica |
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| Diane |
Thanks everyone for being there.
I like to over analyze so I stay away from fitday and such sites. I am already joined up with fitday. That's how I found out I obsess on the numbers.  Simple is best for me.
I lost a total of 7.4 lbs in one week and I am reading Atkins "72" book. Which states this is an anticarb diet and to start out you must be "ZERO CARB" and that some people are highly sensitive to any carbs and MUST stay zero carb for their whole life.
I am going to start with the exercise, HIIT with a little light weightlifting to start. Then shake it up after a month and lift heavy. I'll do as much as I can without hurting myself, cause sadly I weigh a lot. Once I get some of the weight off I anticipate it will get easier. I read Heathers no cardio thread and I am impressed with her.  
I guess the best place to post results would the journal or is having them here. OK 
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| jeff |
It sounds like you have a good plan, Diane. I think shaking things up....execise wise.....is a good idea. If you always do the same thing, your body will adapt to it and actually get more efficient, which is what you really don't want. |
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| Dean |
Diane,
So good to hear about all of this. I think you are on a great path to get yourself in better shape/health. Yah, your journal is a great place to keep track of what you're doing, and to get feedback. I'm looking forward to reading about your journey with all this.
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| Heather |
Diane, that sounds wonderful! I found that when I was losing weight I lost it in waves. Sudden drops for no apparent reason and then it would hold steady for no apparent reason but I averaged a weight loss each month. Maybe it was the moon phases or something.... I really wouldn't worry about losing too much, too fast as long as you're not starving. Be happy and enjoy the losses, you are worth it!
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| Diane |
Well I think I'll take the exercise a little slower, can we say Sore.
DOMS and more DOMS I know I'm alive every time I move, I hurt. Heather I'm not too worried my body keeps doing weird stuff, I'm at that mental pause point and it rebels at the strangest time. So I am happy it is working with me right now.  I fully expect a weight gain from the muscles holding on to water after the trauma of exercise. I forgot when you start a new program of exercise take it slow to let the muscles use to the idea.
I am eating salmon sashimi right now for supper and have some steak I will cook for tomorrows lunch. I find I snack on the steak slices raw whilst I cook the rest. Hubby took me out on the weekend I had sashimi with octopus, scallops, 2 types of tuna, red snapper, salmon and fish eggs. It was awesome. So far the main foods I have been eating is, steak, raw and cooked Salmon raw Chicken cooked and Lots of eggs, whole cooked or just the yolks raw. I have been eating spoonfuls of lard and butter to get some fat into me, every thing is so fat free now. 
I was thinking of trying some coconut oil, I read some where that it can help with thyroid issues. |
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| Van |
losing weight too fastDiane hi, noticed you're eating salmon sashimi. If your salmon is from the Pacific Northwest and hasn't been frozen, you stand a good chance of getting parasites. There are two types; a tapeworm and a smaller worm that will attach itself to your stomach lining till it dies. The latter is very prevalent. I have spotted several in salmon I have eatin. Almost all salmon in sushi bars is either farmed (no parasite problem, but hardly the same nutritional specie as wild) or frozen. I gave up eating Salmon because I disliked the taste of it raw after having been frozen, and I don't eat cooked food. Have spoken for several hours with a parasitologist who worked out of Seatle for years and who had a keen interest in fish parasites. So I do believe it is a real issue to reckon with. Couldn't help but share what I had learned. Van |
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| Heather L |
Diane- The DOMS is no fun. (Hate it  ) I used to get it in the beginning when I started lifting, or if I'd take a long break from lifting. I am glad to report that with very consistent lifting sessions I don't get DOMS anymore... except maybe if I add in something totally different from my usual sessions. I just wanted to encourage you by letting you know that it does get better over time.
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| Diane |
Hi Van thanks for the warning . I have been treating the salmon the same treatment that I do for uncooked pork sausages.
Prescribed Treatment of pork products to destroy trichinae Required period of freezing at temperature indicated: Temperature Group 1 Group 2 degrees F. Days Days 5 20 30 -10 10 20 -20 6 12 Group 1 comprises product in separate pieces not exceeding 6 inches in thickness or arranged on separate racks with layers no exceeding 6 inches in depth, or stored in crates or boxes not exceeding 6 inches in depth thickness. Group 2 comprises product in pieces,layers,or within containers, the thickness exceeds 6 inches but not 27 inches and the product in containers including tierces, barrels, kegs and cartons having a thickness not exceeding 27 inches. The product undergoing such refrigeration or the containers thereof shall be so spaced while in the freezer as will insure free circulation of air between the pieces of meat, layers, blocks, barrels or tierces in order that the temperature of the meat throughout will be promptly reduced to exceed 5 degree F.,-10 degrees F.,or -20 degrees F as the case may be. I'm a meat cutter by trade and I am aware of some of the hazards in the meat we eat. I prepare my salmon into the thin slices then freeze it for the proscribed time. Knowing the temperature of your freezer is very important! HeatherL I am managing the DOMs I find stretching is a god send that and warming up sufficiently helps too. The weight loss has slowed down but I am starting to lose inches which is all I care about really. Heavy with muscle and smaller in size. |
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| Van |
loseing weight too fastDiane, the 'expert' said all one has to do is freeze the fish all the way through and the worm is frozen too, or dead. Days and days aren't needed unless your freezer takes a long time to freeze food. |
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| Dean |
Van, Diane, or anyone, do you know if there are some parasites that will always survive the freezing process? Most meat processors have laws they have to follow about freezing meat, like deer, for instance. The cats I've fed raw deer meat to have been tested numerous times, and no parasites were ever found. But, I wonder if freezing will kill all parasites. | ||
| Van |
Dean, don't know about animals, only salmon. I'd bet that freezing kills all eggs, larvae and worms, but it may not touch things like mad cow etc. | ||
| Diane |
Well I was taught that there is a possibility that a parasite could survive. Commercial freezers are much colder than our home freezers so the chance is greater for home frozen fish. I am very fortunate my freezer is extremely cold and freezes food quickly. I was reading that the round worm found in salmon cannot survive a hard freeze and if it did, our digestive system would kill the weaken worm. It is the larval stage that causes the gastric upset by latching on to the intestine walls, it will only live for about 7 to 10 days but will make your life miserable.
Cats have very strong digestive juices so they handle a lot more dangerous food than we can. It is a fascinating subject. So I choose to eat sashimi and raw beef cause I try to minimize the risks through farmed fish and freezing, with beef all meat is sterile on the inside so I face ( trim the outsides off) the meat before eating it. I have been feeding my cats B.A.R.F and they seem to be thriving on it. On a positive note since I started to eat more of those types of food I haven't been having bloating or other digestive upsets. I have been told that I have IBS and the advice the gastro Dr didn't help. |
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| Amanda |
Re: losing weight too fast
Hi, Van, interesting you say you don't eat any cooked are you an RVAF, than if suspect your familiar with Aajonus Vonderplanitz and many other raw paleo dieters you'd know that they don't "believe" in parasites as being an issue in fact like germs they do believe they are necessary for cleansing and if you are not detoxing/in need of cleansing they should not be able to survive in your body- as the body would flush them etc, have you checked out the raw paleo group on yahoo, Geoff runs it and is very very knowledgeable on the subject, just my two cents.. |
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| Kristelle |
I'm not worried about parasites ...have had raw of alot of things in the last year...no problems. Have more problems with cooked food. | ||
| Van |
I agree, have eaten raw fish/animals over the last 16 or so years, with no parasites. But Salmon from the Northwest, i think that's a different story. Seems more like russian rulet; just a matter of time.... | ||
| Kristelle |
Haven't tried NW salmon yet...so who knows?! | ||