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Dave

The Zero Carb Diet Thread

Hey let's make this a continual zero carb diet thread.

I think it's like day 3 or 4 for me today.

It's probably good that I am not tracking, because I get obsessive.

The trouble with all the low carb talk out there, it can encourage me off the zero carb diet.

I am trying to keep my fat up by eating a bit of mayo. Happy
Heather

I always aim for zero carb, my body responds very well to this. I have been doing no-carb (for the most part) since March 1, 2006, almost 9 months now.
Dean

Hey, Dave... great idea!

I have been experimenting with zero carb (antivegan) diet for the last 9 months. The appetite control is amazing!
Dave

I agree the appetite control is great, but the food variety kinda sux :(
Dean

Yah... that is the downside to it.

I was actually very successful with "paleo"... meaning some berries and occasional fruit, as well as veggies. I stayed clear of all nuts and seeds. But, if you figure out ways to cook certain foods, like hot chicken wings and such... carnivore eating can be OK. Coffee and wine REALLY help. Just ask jeff! Wink

But, I know you don't do those. I have wanted to give those up, but on a strict carnivore diet, I don't know what would happen. Whatever you do... if you leave zero carb/carnivore WOE, try to do a few veggies and even some fruit or something before just giving up on LCing. That is what I struggle with, Dave... trying to stay away from going back to all the junk when I get bored with LCing.

We can figure it out. I know we will! Yup
Dave

yeah - I don't mind general low carb, but the weight isn't shifting.

I am positive that it's the carbs and lack of exercise. I plan on getting moving and staying zero carb for a while.
I'm sick of being so fat!
jeff

LC_Dave wrote:
yeah - I don't mind general low carb, but the weight isn't shifting.

I am positive that it's the carbs and lack of exercise. I plan on getting moving and staying zero carb for a while.
I'm sick of being so fat!


Regular exercise will probably help.
Jeff726

An example of a decent compromise on VLC would be fajitas, sans tortillas and with lots more meat!
Dean

I seem to be moving toward zero carb, for real. I have finally become comfortable with no wine or coffee or dairy (besides a bit of butter on my steaks now and then). But, I could even give that up to pursue true zero carb. Even more zero than Bear! I swear, I envy those crazy people who have gone all the way and eat nothing but raw meat. That must be such a total trip! They describe feeling so peaceful and such. All the anxiety must just melt away when you really give up dietary glucose and all the other artificial crap. The only real food is raw muscle meat, IMHO. Perhaps some organs and brains and eye balls thrown in for treats. Shock But, like Klondike, who eats absolutely nothing but raw cut up chunks of deer muscle meat (steaks)... he is SO HEALTHY and HAPPY eating this way! It just reminds me of how an animal can live like that. Reminds me of what Bear said, and what I have read elsewhere... what these raw meat eater freaks talk about. What a trip it would be to actually do that for a while.

So... anyone up for that challenge? Happy
Dave

I'm up for it Dean!

Actually today I decided to go zero carb.

We can do it if we support each other.

Some tricks I think are important:-

1. Beef or Dark Meat above all else
2. Raw Meat regularly, if not daily (includes seared meats)
3. Watch the cheese, limit it
4. Use herbs to spice up the meats
5. Rotate the meats for variety

I reckon there is about a one month hump. Get through a month and it's probably a lot easier.

Just my thoughts.
Jaime

Dean wrote:
I seem to be moving toward zero carb, for real. I have finally become comfortable with no wine or coffee or dairy (besides a bit of butter on my steaks now and then). But, I could even give that up to pursue true zero carb. Even more zero than Bear! I swear, I envy those crazy people who have gone all the way and eat nothing but raw meat. That must be such a total trip! They describe feeling so peaceful and such. All the anxiety must just melt away when you really give up dietary glucose and all the other artificial crap. The only real food is raw muscle meat, IMHO. Perhaps some organs and brains and eye balls thrown in for treats. Shock But, like Klondike, who eats absolutely nothing but raw cut up chunks of deer muscle meat (steaks)... he is SO HEALTHY and HAPPY eating this way! It just reminds me of how an animal can live like that. Reminds me of what Bear said, and what I have read elsewhere... what these raw meat eater freaks talk about. What a trip it would be to actually do that for a while.

So... anyone up for that challenge? Happy


I could do it if my main 'meat' was raw fish(salmon, tilipia, etc) and just used other types of meat for a wee bit of variety.
Dave

I found myself straying a bit from the path.

Blueberries, Strawberries and cream for dessert - prepared by my fiancee.

Also she bought some low carb chocolate.

I drank diet soda!

Gah!

Okay today, I'm going straight!!
Heather

I'm trying to get back to zero carb as well.
Dean

I think it is good to aim for zero carb. But, it is a bit unrealistic to expect oneself to be able to do it consistently. Cuz, let's face it... it's damn hard! I went out yesterday with my x for crabs. Dipped this wonderful stuff in butter. This buffet has many other things besides the prized Alaska King Crab! A HUGE dessert bar with every conceivable sugary concoction, and loads of other crap like pizza, pasta, etc. I kept walking by all that fudge and cheese cake on my way to get more of the "food of the gods". And, I resisted the strong temptation to grab some of this dessert. I was proud of myself. But, at the very end, I did go get a bunch of sliced up strawberries from the fruit area. They were just raw, whole, plain strawberries... which are supposed to be the lowest carb fruit there is. They tasted SO GOOD. Not as good as the crab, mind you. But, they were nice.

I then went to spend some time with my x. She is sorta into the carnivore thing, tries for the paleo thing, but still has some carby stuff around, and likes to eat salads and veggies, etc. I was OK yesterday, and most of today. But, I finally got pretty hungry later on and went ahead and ate a greek salad. I ate a t-bone steak once I got home. My point is, there are situations that make it very hard to stick to this path. BUT... I think the more we try, the fewer carbs we consume overall. So, the less damage done, and hopefully the less desire to do carbs. That being said, I still have images of all that pie, cake, cookies, etc. I saw on that gigantic display of decadent sweets yesterday. Shock
Jaime

Dean wrote:

My point is, there are situations that make it very hard to stick to this path.


This is very true.

Two weeks before Christmas 2002 my mom died. Since she lived in another city I spended a week at her apartment before the funeral and not having much money I *had* to pretty much eat what was in her place.
I can honestly tell you that Jenny Craig food tastes like crap. It has a very processey (sp?) taste to it. I don't know how ppl live and lose weight on the stuff. By the end of the week I was itching for some decent food and my then bf (now my ex bf) took me to his folk's place for lunch and his mom had made a nice low carb meal....a roast beef , salad and some broccoli. It was the best meal I had all week.

This is only one situation for me but I've been through more.

You did well just sticking to the berries. When my ex bf and I (when we were a couple before the LONG breakup) went to the Chinese buffet I was able to keep my main meal zero to low carb as there was many meaty options there but for dessert I always got into the sf ice cream.
Dave

Yep,

No carb is difficult,

So I've been pretty much low carbing.

No high carbing for me tho!
Tracy

I find I can stay between 15-20g. Zero is really hard. I start craving something acidic, like lemon juice or vinegar, if I go just meat/fat.

What I find hard to give up is stuff like ketchup - I use a low-carb one (organic and low-sugar) but still, it adds up. Coconut milk, salad dressings (I am weak-willed around Thousand Island, despite the soy oil), cocoa. I really want to do original Atkins and see if the fat starts melting a little faster, since right now I am losing a mere pound a month...like I said, I'm managing 15-20g's. Maybe that will be enough...zero is tough!
Heather

Oh every once in a while I like to have a bit of ketchup, I found a brand that is lower carb than heinz, other people around here complain that it is bitter.

I love my horseradish or wasabi mixed with mayo.

Most days I just try to keep my carbs as low as possible, not exactly zero. I avoid most fruit, veggies and dairy to keep the carbs lower.

I think that zero carb is more of a dream, less than 10 g's are probably more realistic.
jeff

Heather wrote:
Oh every once in a while I like to have a bit of ketchup, I found a brand that is lower carb than heinz, other people around here complain that it is bitter.

I love my horseradish or wasabi mixed with mayo.

Most days I just try to keep my carbs as low as possible, not exactly zero. I avoid most fruit, veggies and dairy to keep the carbs lower.

I think that zero carb is more of a dream, less than 10 g's are probably more realistic.


Yes, even Bear said that around 5g was more the reality of it. I am between 5-10 the vast majority of the time. 20g is my absolute upper limit.
Tracy

I shall aim then for an upper limit of 10g for now. My problem has been sticking with it, and not allowing a few little 'cheats' here and there. I want to be strict this time around, and I've never been good with strict!

I know I need to do this though to heal my gut, not just to drop these last 15 or so fat pounds.
Dave

I've been zero carb for two days now!
jeff

LC_Dave wrote:
I've been zero carb for two days now!


Way to go, mate!
Dean

Alright, Dave! Keep up the good work! Cool
Dave

Sad Had a low carb meal tonight.

Zero carb is too hard sometimes! Cry
jeff

The only times I succumb to carbs at all are for social reasons. If I lived by myself and never interacted with others and ate only what I wanted, I could very easily do zero carb. I never crave carbs.
Heather

jeff wrote:
The only times I succumb to carbs at all are for social reasons. If I lived by myself and never interacted with others and ate only what I wanted, I could very easily do zero carb. I never crave carbs.

Isn't that so true, damn socializing....

I have eaten a couple of salads in the last month but I really don't get down about it anymore, at least it wasn't sugar.
jeff

Heather wrote:
jeff wrote:
The only times I succumb to carbs at all are for social reasons. If I lived by myself and never interacted with others and ate only what I wanted, I could very easily do zero carb. I never crave carbs.

Isn't that so true, damn socializing....

I have eaten a couple of salads in the last month but I really don't get down about it anymore, at least it wasn't sugar.


Although I'm sure I could easily live with another carnivore. Devil And I don't think an occasional salad is anything to worry about, Heather. I do them once in a while too. If you're talking lettuce, and maybe a few non starchy veggies, you're talking about a very low carb count.....probably not more than about 2 or 3.
Heather

It's always the socializing that gets me, I would never eat a salad at home.
jeff

Heather wrote:
It's always the socializing that gets me, I would never eat a salad at home.


That's the case with me as well. Or sometimes I will be at work and maybe all they will give us are potatoes and pasta, in which case I will have a small salad with a ton of bleu cheese dressing.
Dave

I've decided to recommit.

Happy I can do it!
jeff

That's the spirit, Dave! Yup
Dean

LC_Dave wrote:
I've decided to recommit.

Happy I can do it!

YES! you can! Yup
Dave

Thanks guys!

I've got that wonderful light headed, light bodied feeling!

I love ketosis! Happy
Heather

Yes ketosis is a wonderful thing. Happy
Dean

Man! I have been trying for zero carb. But, it is just SO HARD! How many days has anyone been able to do this? I think Dave has probably gone the longest, from what it sounds.
Dave

Dean wrote:
Man! I have been trying for zero carb. But, it is just SO HARD! How many days has anyone been able to do this? I think Dave has probably gone the longest, from what it sounds.


I'm up to about a week. This time it seems to be going better. Maybe it's because I'm too busy to think about comfort food?
jeff

Dean wrote:
Man! I have been trying for zero carb. But, it is just SO HARD! How many days has anyone been able to do this? I think Dave has probably gone the longest, from what it sounds.


Depends on what you mean by "zero carb", since in reality zero carb is almost impossible to attain. Do you mean nothing but meat, eggs, and maybe some cheese? (for us cheese eaters) If that is the case, I can usually go about a week or two with nothing but meat, eggs and cheese. On the rare occasion when I do have some carbs, it is usually in the form of a small salad, or some other non starchy veggie. Once in a while a few nuts. So, even when I "screw up", I am still usually between 5-10g of carbs. The only time I find zero carb hard at all is because of social situations.
Dean

jeff,

I'm talking about just meat and eggs. I know there is a trace of carbs in eggs, so even that would not be zero carb. I guess to do zero carb, one would have to just consume raw muscle meat. There are those that do that for a long time.

So... I'm wondering, since this is "The Zero Carb Diet Thread", how do y'all define "Zero Carb"? Or is it like "Coca-Cola Zero"... just a marketing gimmick? LOL

I guess I'd have to define it as eating pure muscle meat only... as raw as possible. If one used anything else, like spices or condiments, those would also have to be zero carb. So, coconut oil would be included.

The ultimate zero carb diet, however, would be a totally carnivorous one, and also be completely raw. And, there are people who have kept up eating nothing but raw muscle meat from wild herbivores for over two years. It's rare, but there are those that do it.

So... how do y'all define "Zero Carb"?
jeff

I guess Bear's definition is good enough for me. I believe he said 5g/day, right? So I would consider foods that have trace amounts of carbs to be effectively carb free.
Dean

Yah, Bear said 0-5g/day = zero carb. I've heard others say 0-10g = zero carb. Some say that as long as carbs are under 70-100g, you are doing VLC, cuz that amount of glucose is going to be used by the cells that must have it. Since Dave started this thread, I wonder what he meant by "zero carb". Dave... so what's the real deal for this Challenge? Cool
Dave

jeff wrote:
I guess Bear's definition is good enough for me. I believe he said 5g/day, right? So I would consider foods that have trace amounts of carbs to be effectively carb free.


Agreed,

I think it's important to steer away from perfectionism.

I do use some herbs on the meat.

I eat meat, cheese, eggs, with some spices.

It's basically atkins induction without the veggies.
jeff

Quote:
It's basically atkins induction without the veggies.


Hey, that is pretty much what I do, Dave. And from what I hear, that is what Atkins said in '72 in his first book.

High Five!!! (oops, forgot. We don't have a high five smiley) Clap
Dave

Yeah I'm doing 1972 Atkins Induction!

*High Five!*
jeff

Dave, in the '72 book, what happens after induction? Does he keep it lower-carb than in the more recent book?
Heather

I just bought a used copy of '72 atkins from amazon, still haven't received it yet, but I can't wait! Happy
Dave

jeff wrote:
Dave, in the '72 book, what happens after induction? Does he keep it lower-carb than in the more recent book?


nope it's similar to the newer version.

Incremental increases in carbs to find the critical level.

In the old one induction was only 7 days.

Although he relayed tails of people staying on induction long term, and he had no issues with that.
Dave

I must report veering form the path.

I ate a little bit of salad and I had a beer today! With a porterhouse steak and two sausages.

It was a big lunch at work.

Not too bad. Happy
jeff

Not bad, Dave. I don't suppose they have lite beer in Australia?
Jaime

3 weeks ago someone from another LC board promised to send me a copy of Atkins 72 since she had 3 copies.
I haven't seen it yet and I doubt it will show up at all.
I just hope by giving her my home address I didn't do something stupid but she claimed to live in British Columbia. (I'm in Ontario).
Dave

*BUMP*


back on the wagon!!
Billi-Jean

I wanna jump on the zero-carb wagon too! Yup

It's day 18 for me...still finding it tough, but I haven't keto-adapted fully yet; I know coz I still have general moderate muscle/body weakness and am still in 'deep' ketosis.

I'm hoping it'll get easier once I get that boost in energy that everyone talks about...so I'm hanging on to the rails, determined not to fall off!

My energy does seem to be getting a little better though and that's keeping me going...the first 7 days or so were utter HELL! Wow

Zero carb for me means pretty much Bear's definition: meat, eggs, dairy (though I try to only have a little cheese as I don't yet know how/if it affects me), and spices.
I also drink coffee and roasted chicory/dandelion tea (which is yum, and tastes a bit like coffee so it helps me cut back on the amount of coffee I drink!).
jeff

Hey, good luck Billi-Jean, and welcome aboard. From what I can tell keto-adaptation takes anywhere from a couple of weeks to several months. I actually felt pretty good right from the start, but I did notice a significant improvement in athletic performance at 6 weeks.
Dean

Billi-Jean wrote:
I wanna jump on the zero-carb wagon too! Yup

You should be on this wagon! You are the one who is closer to zero carb than any of us! Wink

You are doing GREAT!

Billi-Jean wrote:
My energy does seem to be getting a little better though and that's keeping me going...the first 7 days or so were utter HELL! Wow

That is why I want to aim for April... give myself a chance to cut down on any carbs I'm doing these days (which isn't much for the last five days). I wanna go for the closest to zero as I can... and totally carnivorous... and LOADS of FAT! I think eating lots of fat will help me a great deal, actually. I have found that the more fat I eat, the better I feel. I also wanna prove (to myself mainly) that this WOE is gonna make me feel SO GOOD! I think that will really help me stay away from junk food in the future!
Billi-Jean

Thanks jeff!

I just joined the 69 day challenge too! Yup

Yeah, I can't wait 'til I've adapted, I'm trying not to be impatient as I know the time-frame varies for everyone.
Billi-Jean

oh, and hey, thanks also Dean!! Happy I didn't see you there Wave

Yeah, I so agree about the fat, without it I just wouldn't have the ability to mentally and physically keep going. It really keeps my cravings at bay and helps lift my depression! Yup
jeff

Billi-Jean wrote:
Thanks jeff!

I just joined the 69 day challenge too! Yup

Yeah, I can't wait 'til I've adapted, I'm trying not to be impatient as I know the time-frame varies for everyone.


Your welcome. Do everything in your power to not give into your cravings. I'm sure Dean and others here will testify that you will feel better for only a very short time, then you will be back to square one, and feeling worse than you do now. I'll see you over in the 69 day challenge! Sunny
Billi-Jean

Okay, so it's day 20 now on zero-carb...

My energy level is still kinda "blah"...

So I'm thinking of giving up caffeine Wow Cry

I've read that caffeine, especially in those who are sensitive to it, can trigger the standard "stress response", aka the "fight-or-flight" response, where the adrenals respond by pumping out epinephrine and cortisol etc...

...but the thing that concerns me is that part of this standard "fight-or-flight" response is that the liver releases glucose into the blood because it thinks you are in a situation that may require a burst of energy (like running like hell from Godzilla! Grin )
This then can stimulate insulin release and all its repercussions!


So I'm wondering if all the hard effort I've putting in to not eating carbs and into trying to get keto-adapted is being jeopardized, at least to a certain degree, by my 3 or so daily cups of coffee?!? Sad

Any thoughts on this?
Dave

Coffee can have an impact, and many low carb authors talk about this.

I don't drink coffee, but I've decided to nolonger have those icky sugar-free red bulls!
Dean

Here's what Bear said about it.

Bear wrote:
By the way, the oils in fresh coffee seem to have an ability to stimulate insulin release.

Bear wrote:
I have had to stick to just one cuppa in the early morning, drat it.

Bear wrote:
I love my one morning cup of coffee- but not black. I found some time ago that a couple of tablespoons of heavy cream diluted with water will froth up like milk and makes a delicious cappuccino.

Bear wrote:
Coffee in excess can cause a loose bowel, and cheese, which is mostly casein (the basis for library paste) is VERY binding.

I am SO GLAD I gave up coffee at the beginning of this year. I have not missed it like I thought I would. In fact, I love just getting up and not having to think about wasting any time with food or drink (or preparing either), since I do IF first thing in the day.

Hey, Billi-Jean, you should come over and join our April Challenge! Yup
Billi-Jean

thanks for your thoughts, guys!

Dean, what's 'IF'?

hmmm...yes, the April challenge...I've been giving it serious consideration. I guess that except for the dairy and coffee I'm nearly there anyway, so maybe what I should do is cut back to one cup of coffee a day and start to cut out dairy too for the next 10 days and then I'll be ready to start the April challenge with you guys and give up the coffee and dairy completely.

It'd probably be a great way to see I notice any benefits!

Okay, that settles it, I'm off to sign up! Outta Here
jeff

Dean wrote:
Here's what Bear said about it.

Bear wrote:
By the way, the oils in fresh coffee seem to have an ability to stimulate insulin release.

Bear wrote:
I have had to stick to just one cuppa in the early morning, drat it.

Bear wrote:
I love my one morning cup of coffee- but not black. I found some time ago that a couple of tablespoons of heavy cream diluted with water will froth up like milk and makes a delicious cappuccino.

Bear wrote:
Coffee in excess can cause a loose bowel, and cheese, which is mostly casein (the basis for library paste) is VERY binding.

I am SO GLAD I gave up coffee at the beginning of this year. I have not missed it like I thought I would. In fact, I love just getting up and not having to think about wasting any time with food or drink (or preparing either), since I do IF first thing in the day.

Hey, Billi-Jean, you should come over and join our April Challenge! Yup


Also, I believe Atkins said that caffiene can cause in insulin response in some people, that's why he said no caffiene during induction. So apparently it can vary from person to person. I drank a lot of coffee and lost weight just fine, about 2 pounds per week.
Red

Billi-Jean wrote:


Dean, what's 'IF'?


IF stands for Intermittent Fasting.
Billi-Jean

Ah, I see, thanks Red! Sunny
Billi-Jean

jeff wrote:
Dean wrote:
Here's what Bear said about it.

Bear wrote:
By the way, the oils in fresh coffee seem to have an ability to stimulate insulin release.

Bear wrote:
I have had to stick to just one cuppa in the early morning, drat it.

Bear wrote:
I love my one morning cup of coffee- but not black. I found some time ago that a couple of tablespoons of heavy cream diluted with water will froth up like milk and makes a delicious cappuccino.

Bear wrote:
Coffee in excess can cause a loose bowel, and cheese, which is mostly casein (the basis for library paste) is VERY binding.

I am SO GLAD I gave up coffee at the beginning of this year. I have not missed it like I thought I would. In fact, I love just getting up and not having to think about wasting any time with food or drink (or preparing either), since I do IF first thing in the day.

Hey, Billi-Jean, you should come over and join our April Challenge! Yup


Also, I believe Atkins said that caffiene can cause in insulin response in some people, that's why he said no caffiene during induction. So apparently it can vary from person to person. I drank a lot of coffee and lost weight just fine, about 2 pounds per week.


I guess it's at least worth giving it a try, not for weight loss, for me, but to see if it's preventing me from keto-adapting Confused
jeff

Quote:
I guess it's at least worth giving it a try, not for weight loss, for me, but to see if it's preventing me from keto-adapting


I suppose it's possible, Billi-Jean. Maybe switch to decaf for a while and see if it makes a difference? Another option may be to switch to a tea of some kind. Green tea does have caffiene, but it has a lot less than coffee.
Red

Billi-Jean wrote:


I guess it's at least worth giving it a try, not for weight loss, for me, but to see if it's preventing me from keto-adapting Confused


I'm glad you're not trying to lose weight - 103! You're as small as a minute!

Have you always been so small, or did you lose weight and now you're maintaining?
Billi-Jean

Red wrote:

I'm glad you're not trying to lose weight - 103! You're as small as a minute!

Have you always been so small, or did you lose weight and now you're maintaining?


LOL No, I used to be a little barrel on legs! By the time I was 21 I weighed about 180 lbs, and at only 5'1", as you can imagine, I was nearly circular Shock

Lost weight by eating practically nothing and exercising like a fiend -terribly unhealthy. Plus my body did not thank me for it. I 'maintained' for 15 years by only eating about 800 calories or less per day; any more than that and I gained weight Roll Eyes

Horrible way to live. Now I'm just trying to heal my body and metabolism. And I'm finding that I'm maintaining too, even while averaging around 1800 calories p/day! LOL
Billi-Jean

jeff wrote:
Quote:
I guess it's at least worth giving it a try, not for weight loss, for me, but to see if it's preventing me from keto-adapting


I suppose it's possible, Billi-Jean. Maybe switch to decaf for a while and see if it makes a difference? Another option may be to switch to a tea of some kind. Green tea does have caffiene, but it has a lot less than coffee.


One and a half days caffeine-free now, and besides mentally craving coffee, I don't seem to be getting physical withdrawal symptoms like headaches, so, who knows, maybe I'm not that sensitive to it.

So then perhaps it's not really affecting my keto-adapting either...anyway, I think I'm just going to try to forget about it and let my body just adapt when it's good and ready Roll Eyes It's sure to figure out what to do with all those ketones eventually! LOL
Red

I lost weight the exact same way (starving myself), but found low carb (thank God) and now have been stalled at 150ish pounds for a couple of years. Some people would say my body is at goal, but my thunder thighs beg to differ. LOL I vary my calories. When I restrict them, I lose, but I can only restrict for so long before I start wanting to binge on carbs, which does more harm than good. I'd be better off just maintaining on zero-carb. I went zero-carb in August with a couple of weak points (around Christmas and my birthday, etc.), where my weight bounced up a bit. I'm trying now to just be consistent with zero-carb and hoping that the weight loss will kick in once my body is keto-adapted again. I wouldn't mind losing about 15 or 20 lbs. That would be awesome. It's crazy how 20 lbs, to some people, is nothing, but for me is like the most impossible dream, considering I haven't been that weight since before puberty.

But yeah, I can maintain my weight at 3000 calories a day, if my macronutrient ratios are right and my protein doesn't go too high. Yup To lose, I have to restrict to about 1400 and sometimes lower. I'm hoping the April challenge will change that and I'll start dropping weight more efficiently!
Dave

Red,

I've seen my fiancee struggle with her 20 kilos to loose,

So even though I'm a bigger person (more fat) - I can sympathise with the plight. not easy!

She was one of those lucky people to do general atkins and get to goal and look fab! But she worked hard it.

She's one of those normally naturally skinny types.
Red

Dave wrote:


She's one of those normally naturally skinny types.


Yeah that's not me. LOL I was always a chubby kid and then went from 130 lbs at age 12 (which was already overweight) to 180 the following year. I jumped up another 20 lbs a year for the next two years.
jeff

Quote:
Lost weight by eating practically nothing and exercising like a fiend -terribly unhealthy. Plus my body did not thank me for it. I 'maintained' for 15 years by only eating about 800 calories or less per day; any more than that and I gained weight


Billi-Jean, you must have incredible will power to do that for 15 years. I'd put a bullet in my head before I would starve myself for 15 years. I can only imagine the damage that was done to your body/metabolism. Let the healing begin!!!
Billi-Jean

jeff wrote:
Quote:
Lost weight by eating practically nothing and exercising like a fiend -terribly unhealthy. Plus my body did not thank me for it. I 'maintained' for 15 years by only eating about 800 calories or less per day; any more than that and I gained weight


Billi-Jean, you must have incredible will power to do that for 15 years. I'd put a bullet in my head before I would starve myself for 15 years. I can only imagine the damage that was done to your body/metabolism. Let the healing begin!!!


"Let the healing begin!" Sunny I like that! Yup
Thanks for the encouragement, jeff. I'll hold on to that in those moments where I start to waver or forget why I'm really doing this.
Dave

I know that self loathing can drive a lot of that.

(Self loathing caused by other people!)

This is why I am so rebellious against Calorie Counting.

I did it for so many years!! I just think it's society's way of sadistically controlling us!

If people have the willpower to starve themselves, they should at least be given the option to go Zero carb, to know about it!

But for some reasons the experts have got it into their heads that overweight people are paying for their sins in some way! Which is ridiculous when you look at the suffering we go through!

Then you have these skinny ass personal trainers that have never been fat, waving their hollier than thou fingers at you, telling you to eat carrots all day!!! Bonkers
Billi-Jean

Dave wrote:
I know that self loathing can drive a lot of that.

(Self loathing caused by other people!)

This is why I am so rebellious against Calorie Counting.

I did it for so many years!! I just think it's society's way of sadistically controlling us!

If people have the willpower to starve themselves, they should at least be given the option to go Zero carb, to know about it!

But for some reasons the experts have got it into their heads that overweight people are paying for their sins in some way! Which is ridiculous when you look at the suffering we go through!

Then you have these skinny ass personal trainers that have never been fat, waving their hollier than thou fingers at you, telling you to eat carrots all day!!! Bonkers


Cheer Yeah! Right on, Dave! Clap

We're made to feel like we have to 'pay' for some innate 'gluttony'...and that's exactly what I did, by eating carrots and apples and celery all day long and drinking endless cups of coffee -AGH!! Wall
Dave

Yeah it's total BS, and it's sadistic!

You wanna see the results of a low fat low cal diet - look at hell well Susan Powter is looking these days.
http://myspace.com/susanpowterlivecom

Scarier looking than most horry movies! Shock

I wonder if her wierd behaviour is due to a lack of fat as well!
Dean

Failure to eat fat and eating carbs leads to insanity. That is a physiological fact. It even leads to inappropriate aggressive behavior. Ask Sally Fallon... she's hip to that shit! Wink

Yah... very scary, Dave! Shock
Dean

I'm 3 days zero carb! And I mean absolute zero carb! Ecstatic
Billi-Jean

Dean wrote:
I'm 3 days zero carb! And I mean absolute zero carb! Ecstatic


Way to go, Dean!!! Thumbs Up Cheer

...um, I, on the other hand, will be back to Day 1 tomorrow!! Oops Oops

*sigh* I suppose 23 days ain't a bad run for my first 'attempt'. Hate to think what it's done to my keto-adaption process though... Shock Roll Eyes
Red

What happened, Billi-Jean? Sad
Billi-Jean

Red wrote:
What happened, Billi-Jean? Sad


Well, I'm ashamed to say that nothing really 'happened' Oops

Just ran out of reserves of 'patience' I guess, waiting seemingly endlessly to keto-adapt, as I was still feeling weak and lacking energy. Got frustrated, started thinking things like "poor me" and "nobody loves me" Shock (yeah, I know, what the hell does that have to do with it!!?? Shock -well, that's my brain for you!), and next thing I knew I was wiping bread crumbs off my chin. And cookie crumbs. Wow And, since as far as I know there was no bread etc. in the house, I must have managed to get to the store to buy some Dunno I swear I barely recall it!! Call me Sybil Bonkers

Although, come to think of it, maybe last night didn't help...went out to a "work" dinner and wasn't thrilled about everyone's plates of food in my face, piled high with fries and breaded calamari rings and salad bar goodies, and cocktails with all sorts of enticingly 'shocking' names, and...and... Cry

Meanwhile I sat there with a big 'ol white plate with only a lonely piece of steak plonked on it, and sadly lacking all but a wee trace of fat...and to add insult to injury, the b*****ds overcooked it even though I'd asked for 'rare'! Mad I don't usually cringe at sending food back if it's not right, but, I just didn't have the heart last night Sad
Red

Oh BJ I've been there a trillion times! I work in the food industry and am constantly surrounded by food and people eating. Nevermind the fact that they are always pushing the food at me and grilling me as to why I'm not eating what they are, or giving me funny looks about my food choices. I've even had to fake eating foods and spit into serviettes before, just to avoid people giving me problems! Oops
Dean

Billi-Jean,

Don't beat yourself up. I slip up all the time.

And, for what it's worth... we on the Bus Heart you!

Thanks for being here, sharing your stories and your great knowledge.

Big Hug
Billi-Jean

You guys are just the best!!!
THANK YOU!! Heart Heart Heart
Rich

HI,

Going to revive this thread and join this challenge ! Grin
jeff

Allright Rich, way to go! Keep us posted on how you're doing.
Rich

Thanks, one day down Happy

I should say though I do have coffee in the am and sometimes at nite and heavy cream. Cheese also, all say 0 carbs per serving but I am sure I am in the 5-15 carb range on average.
jeff

Rich, you sound alot like me. I emjoy heavy cream with my coffee, and being from Wisconsin, I am required to eat cheese. LOL The dairy doesn't bother me, but others are not so lucky. I know some heavy creams do have a small amount of carbs, but I think I found one that does not. I use "Dean's" brand. It has 50 calories per Tbs, and where it says "calories from fat", it says 50. So I'm inclined to believe this stuff is carb free.
Dean

jeff wrote:
I use "Dean's" brand. It has 50 calories per Tbs, and where it says "calories from fat", it says 50. So I'm inclined to believe this stuff is carb free.

Rest assured it is. We use a special patented process in our product. We remove every spec of carbs from the cream. Just for those Wisconsinites. LOL

BTW... we are the largest dairy processor and distributor in the world. We sell more milk in the US than any other company. Yup
jeff

Quote:
We use a special patented process in our product. We remove every spec of carbs from the cream. Just for those Wisconsinites. LOL

Thanks for doing that Dean. All the WI carnivores thank you. Wink
Rich

4 days now
jeff

Great! One day at a time.

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