Location: Switzerland (Baden) Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 135 Born: 15 July 1967 Gender: Female
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject:
Dean wrote:
Monday January 19
5422 Calories
93% Fat
Pork Belly
Beef Ribs
Ate a huge amount of food today. It seems that ever since I started doing this, I've been stretching my stomach so much that it feels "empty" more often, and I can eat more. What's happening to me?!
The ribs I ate today were like over 75% fat, and I was just swallowing the fat down along with the small amount of meat. It was very disgusting, to say the least. My stomach was sorta hurting for awhile afterwards.
All in the name of science, huh?
I can't wait till Wednesday gets here!
Please Dean, your whole gut must be changing so what about stools - can you get on with that part? What about being active? Could you run, go swimming with all that in you? What about water - don't you feel the need to drink?
I am trying to make up the whole picture - not just eating and weight !
Nicola
It would be more healthy to eat marrow/fat raw; your stiff leg may be a reaction to cooked fat/protein (chicken, turkey, pork and PUFA's...)?
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:38 am Post subject:
Tuesday January 20
4870 Calories
91% Fat
Beef Ribs
Pork Belly
Turkey
Thanks for your concerns, Nicola. Appreciate it. This is only temporary, trust me.
In fact, this is the END of the first week!
Tomorrow I'm gonna ratchet this thing down to 4000 cals! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Dean how are you feeling on this diet? Do you find you are feeling more thermogenic effect? Running hotter? Is your energy level higher? Do you have any feelings of slight breathlessness or anxiousness?
How about sleep? Longer, shorter?
Weight?
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:20 am Post subject:
I wonder if Dean is hiding in a closet eating 3 pounds of butter laughing maniacally? Maybe he's gone fat crazy? _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:11 am Post subject:
______________________________________
Week 1 : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Jan 20
Maintenance Calories: 2107
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 5232
Average Fat: 86%
Expected: 2.8 kg body fat gain
Actual: 0.4 kg body fat loss
______________________________________
It could be a stall, it could be a loss, or we could just call it a wash.
I actually think it's a loss. It would follow what I did last year, when I ate TONS of cheese, eggs, butter and processed meats during the February Carnivore Contest and still lost a small amount of body fat. I'm sure I was up to nearly 4000 or more calories then.
We'll see what happens next week. I'm betting I'll lose more each week, as I drop more calories. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:13 am Post subject:
Week 2 : Wed Jan 21 - Tue Jan 27
Maintenance Calories: 2103
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Wednesday January 21
4022 Calories
93% Fat
Beef Ribs
Turkey Fat
Man, I ate the most fatty ribs the last few days. They have these huge chunks of really good tasting fat, and I just eat them right down. I was literally drinking turkey fat today, just to get my cals up over 4000.
All in the name of science. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:34 am Post subject:
Nicola wrote:
Please Dean, your whole gut must be changing so what about stools - can you get on with that part? What about being active? Could you run, go swimming with all that in you? What about water - don't you feel the need to drink?
Nicola, my gut has changed, obviously, and it is dead silent. Stools - only two in the last couple weeks - I think. This is normal. Two years ago, eating naked meat for two weeks, I was like 17 days or something on the "non-elimination diet". I could run, but, for this experiment, I'm not supposed to exercise. I do drink a lot of water, for some reason. I'm quite thirsty, especially lately, and I've been eating tons of fat. I would guess, because of all the protein, or perhaps salt, I need more water... or some wine.
Nicola wrote:
It would be more healthy to eat marrow/fat raw; your stiff leg may be a reaction to cooked fat/protein (chicken, turkey, pork and PUFA's...)?
Nicola, are you suggesting that I eat just raw marrow? I think you need to recruit jeff for that experiment. Hey, this is the Metabolic Ward, right? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:36 am Post subject:
Lynne wrote:
hey dean, how is caffeine free treating you?
any desires to return?
Not really. I mean, if I really thought about it, maybe. Now, when it comes to wine, I think about that every night. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:46 am Post subject:
Pooti wrote:
Dean how are you feeling on this diet? Do you find you are feeling more thermogenic effect? Running hotter? Is your energy level higher? Do you have any feelings of slight breathlessness or anxiousness?
How about sleep? Longer, shorter?
Weight?
Inquiring minds and all!
Inquiring minds, huh?
I have not had any thermo effects that I've noticed. My energy seems to fluctuate. I think I'm a bit tired because my body is having to digest WAY too much food! Soon after eating all that fat, I do start feeling really good, with loads of energy. Then, later on, I start getting a bit lethargic, but, not all the time. Mostly I'm feeling pretty normal. Sometimes, I get a bit anxious, but, eating seems to clear that right up. It's like my body is now expecting tons of food, or something. I'm gonna bring it back to reality here, over the next few weeks, though. I've been sleeping about my normal eight, and it is very solid sleep. I've had a couple days when I did not get enough sleep, and I felt pretty lousy the next day. I could have fixed that with java, but, I am really wanting to break that addiction. I've gone three weeks without it, and the month prior, I was cutting down so severely that it was almost like I wasn't drinking it. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:47 am Post subject:
Cody wrote:
I wonder if Dean is hiding in a closet eating 3 pounds of butter laughing maniacally? Maybe he's gone fat crazy?
_________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: South Florida Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 529 Born: 3 March 1919 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:29 am Post subject:
good morning!
yeah, i have no desire to return to caffeine.
life is jes fine without.
but wine is so good... nectar from the god's...
i've kept away from it, but i really do enjoy it. _________________ "Failure is an opportunity to start again more intelligently."
Location: Switzerland (Baden) Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 135 Born: 15 July 1967 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject:
Dean wrote:
Nicola, my gut has changed, obviously, and it is dead silent. Stools - only two in the last couple weeks - I think. This is normal. Two years ago, eating naked meat for two weeks, I was like 17 days or something on the "non-elimination diet". I could run, but, for this experiment, I'm not supposed to exercise. I do drink a lot of water, for some reason. I'm quite thirsty, especially lately, and I've been eating tons of fat. I would guess, because of all the protein, or perhaps salt, I need more water... or some wine.
Nicola, are you suggesting that I eat just raw marrow? I think you need to recruit jeff for that experiment. Hey, this is the Metabolic Ward, right?
Dean, thanks; very interesting - I will never understand the elimination part...all that food...and yet gut and elimination does not bother you.
Yes I think fat and marrow are better raw but thats just the way I see things.
I believe weight is just one part of the story; our body and mind have to get on with detox our whole life - the body will put up with a lot if our mind does but things can/do catch up with life.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:02 pm Post subject:
Nicola,
I agree on the detox, and probably the raw meat and fat being better. I doubt I could get used to eating nothing but raw meat and fat, but, I have a sneaking suspicion that it would provide the best health.
Yes, the elimination thing really freaks me out. This is not the first time I've had this happen. When I just do meat and water this seems to always happen. It's amazing how all this meat and fat are being used by my body. That just goes further to explain how one not only digests this type of food, but, how it is used up by the body in futile cycles or what have you. Amazing.
Along those same lines, this morning I noticed how much thinner I am getting, and so, decided to go through the measurements again, and low and behold, I'm down 0.9 kg body fat since the beginning of this experiment! I know there are daily fluctuations, but, so far, the days I did measure, I was only stalled or down 0.1 kg or less. Yesterday I was down 0.4 kg, and today, 0.9 kg! So, this leads me to conclude that I am dropping body fat no matter how many calories (mostly coming from animal fat) I consume. I don't know about the "dairy factor" in all of this, but, I may add some in later on to see if it affects things.
So far, since November 24, when I started back on ZCarnivore, I've lost 7 kilos of body fat! And, I can feel it. My size 34 jeans are falling off me, and my size 32 jeans are fitting loosely. Before November 24, my size 34 jeans were so tight I couldn't even button them! Also, I don't feel bloated (except right after I stuff myself) and I actually feel lighter. I've been here before, and I remember how light I felt. Haven't been this light, though, for over one and a half years! This feels great! It is really motivating me to continue this experiment and this WOE. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the support, Carleen!
OK, 14% of 5232 is 732 average daily calories coming from protein. So, that's about 183 g of protein per day on average. According to the calculator I've been using, I should be consuming either 178 g a day, or 118 g a day, depending on whether I'm fully keto-adapted. Perhaps that's why I have been getting so thirsty lately, cuz, as I get more keto-adapted, my protein needs are going down, and therefore I'm over consuming protein.
BTW, that means I ate an average of 500 g of animal fat every day!
That's over 2 cups of hot melted butter! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:
Yeah Dean way to go!
Congrats on the loss! It is just downright bizarre but I think these kind of experiments should be posted as stickies on every low carb forum out there. I get really sad when I see how many people are restricting calories - perhaps they don't need to.
Did you lose with the dairy? I always thought my problem was dairy, but I gave up all artificial sweetener and lost what could be fat or fluid retention - the scales are the same but I can do up my belt a notch tighter. I have been eating tons of fat too, but not zero carbs - more like 20g.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:45 am Post subject:
jeff,
I've lost a kilo in the last 10 days, and I've averaged well over 5000 cals each one of those 10 days. Is that fricken bizarre or what?
My carbs have been zip. Nada. That's the ticket. Yah. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:58 am Post subject:
Thursday January 22
3897 Calories
82% Fat
Beef Ribs
Chuck Eye
Turkey
Damn, those chuck eyes are not fat enough. Oh, well.
I'm thinking that if I was allowed to start eating butter, I could get my cals, and especially my fat, way up there.
I think we should let Heather decide that one. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:
At this point, what harm is butter going to do? I see no problem with diary, unless you are lactose intolerant. Are you of Northern European or Indian ancestry? If so, I think there is a good chance dairy will be fine for you. Northern Europeans/Indians have been using dairy products longer than other human populations and are better adapted to them.
I especially think clarified butter would be fine. You'll get rid of all of the milk solids, and it shouldn't be much work to you, someone who already renders their own tallow. _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject:
I am also one who loves butter. I even went to the extent to buy directly from an organic grass fed farmer in Wisconsin 20 lbs raw from his greenest months production (when the grass was growing the fastest and greenest). I love eating it with raw meat. However I had to give it up for it was causing my 'stump', I am a below the knee amputee since a waterskiing accident in college) to get cold, and I would get these soft lumps in high pressure spots, similar to a bursa. As soon as I was willing to forgo eating the butter, pretty hard thing to do, both the lump and the cold or reduced circulation went away. Was having to contemplate surgery or other invasive means because the lump was getting larger as time went on. I also noticed the same cold symptoms when I would skim the fat off several quarts of my own raw goats milk, grass fed too. I never get reduced circulation from eating any amount of beef fat or marrow etc. Only butter or cream. It now sits in my freezer, and use it just for my daughter. Had I not had such an intimate feedback system or barometer, my stump, I some times think I would have reduced circulation in other parts of my body that would have probably gone unnoticed. When I wear a prosthesis there are areas of tissue that are under pressure, blood flow is naturally restricted through the finer capilaries. And a remnant limb will never the blood supply and return that a normal leg will have, for it's feedback system has been altered. I have noticed lumps develop, harder ones, whenever over thirty years of experimenting with taking mineral supplements. My beliefe is that under this unnatural pressure within the socket, that particles will drop out of circulation and or coagulate and form deposits. I have been able to use ion mineral supplements without any problem. We are all different, but that is my story.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject:
Thanks for sharing your story, Van.
I may experiment with butter, but, first I really need to fix this inflammation deal. I'm starting to take fish oil, so we will see if that clears this up. At first I was not sure what was causing this stiffness in my left leg which emanates from the upper part of my leg on my left side. Then, after getting inflammation symptoms in certain joints in my knees and hands, and even the right side of my leg, in the same spot as my left, I knew then it was simply inflammation. It comes and goes, and has only been affecting my left leg as of lately.
The vitamin C is not really helping, as far as I can tell. I hope the fish oil does. If it does, I will begin questioning the consumption of grain-fed animals. It's even more of a problem for the environment, so that won't be hard for me to switch to grass-fed. I think lots of grain-fed animal eaters are just contributing to their own demise. That type of production cannot continue indefinitely, and will get more and more expensive as time goes by. In the meantime, if nobody supports the local, small farmer, the same large corporations that brought all this blight onto our planet in the first place (especially in the third world) are going to gain even more control, and then who knows what other harm they will bring. It's really getting bad, believe me. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: South Florida Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 529 Born: 3 March 1919 Gender: Female
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject:
hiya dean!
the only places i can buy grass fed protein is either from Whole Foods or gourmet markets, or online... and it's sooooooooooooooo expensive.
i feed a 16yr old boy, and myself..
i wish there was a cheaper way to buy grass fed for me, down here. _________________ "Failure is an opportunity to start again more intelligently."
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject:
Lynne, have you checked eatwild.com? You might be surprised at the number of farmers in your area. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:57 am Post subject:
Lynne, if you get to know those farmers, you can get quarters or halves of animals for real cheap. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:27 am Post subject:
Friday January 23
4127 Calories
91% Fat
Beef Ribs
Pork Belly
Chuck Eye
This would be a lot easier with butter! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6030 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject:
Several things are easier with butter!
Hey, you're doing great. Still over 4000 calories and over 90% fat. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Midwest USA Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 839 Born: 15 July 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject:
Dean- If you are asking this Heather about the butter... I say you should definitely experiment with it later." It's all in the name of science," right?
I find it amazing that you are losing so much with all the extra calories. Whoa!! Totally awesome, dude. (valley girl impersonation-lol)
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject:
Quote:
I find it amazing that you are losing so much with all the extra calories.
I think most people think of body fat in a completely wrong way. It is very dynamic. It does not just sit there as a big blob, only to be used when incoming calories are not enough to fuel the body. Fatty acids are constantly flowing in and out of adipose tissue. At least, that is how it is suppose to work. When insulin levels are high, as in when we become insulin resistant, there are more fatty acids flowing in than are flowing out. We gain weight. Some people can even gain weight while reducing calories.
When insulin levels are low, as with ZC, more fatty acids will flow out, until a person reaches their regulated weight. There are many hormones that work to mobilize fatty acids. There is one, insulin, that works to prevent this. Unfortunately, the effects of insulin will override the effects of the other hormones. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1460 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:35 am Post subject:
Jeff, that's a really good explanation. I like many women have had a hard time grasping the "I have to eat fat to lose fat" mentality. I am slowly getting there, but it's a constant battle to reverse many many years of brain washing.
I am glad to have found this board, lots of smart folks in here!!
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:33 am Post subject:
Saturday January 24
4014 Calories
88% Fat
Chicken Wings
Pork Belly
Chuck Eye
I ate just enough extra chicken wings at the end of this one to push it over the 4K mark. To kick the fat over 90, I was gonna drink some pork belly fat from the pan, but, decided on second thought...
So, Heather, after this week is up, I am dropping my cals down to 3000, but, I think I should start licking using butter again, don't you.
I mean, even though I'm dropping my cals down, I will want to get my fat percentage up... among other things. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:22 am Post subject:
Oh, yah, I forgot to mention. So far this week (since Wednesday), I've dropped 1.5 kilos of body fat.
Looks like lowering the calories is helping. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6030 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject:
Dean wrote:
Oh, yah, I forgot to mention. So far this week (since Wednesday), I've dropped 1.5 kilos of body fat.
Looks like lowering the calories is helping.
Yes, you dropped calories. But you're still comsuming alot of extra calories beyond your body's needs. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6030 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:
Quote:
Jeff, that's a really good explanation. I like many women have had a hard time grasping the "I have to eat fat to lose fat" mentality. I am slowly getting there, but it's a constant battle to reverse many many years of brain washing.
Yes, it is difficult to overcome the many years of brainwashing. When I first started low-carbing 6 years ago I was very skeptical. But I was also very desperate. I only wish I had discoverd it 30 years earlier. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject:
jeff wrote:
Dean wrote:
Oh, yah, I forgot to mention. So far this week (since Wednesday), I've dropped 1.5 kilos of body fat.
Looks like lowering the calories is helping.
Yes, you dropped calories. But you're still consuming a lot of extra calories beyond your body's needs.
Yah, and I think there is a limit to how much one can do that. Of course, if anyone actually ever hit that limit, they'd be so sick from eating they would have no choice but to stop.
Conclusion: Calories (or amounts of dietary fat, if one does not like that evil word ) do count on ZC. However, they only count in the sense of how quickly one would like to lose weight. Of course, if one has a lot to lose, their calorie requirements are already so high, they will have no problem losing quickly anyway. It's the last bits of body fat that one has to be diligent about in order to lose quickly.
BTW, I'm down another 0.1 kg body fat. That makes 1.6 kg body fat loss so far this week (since Wednesday). I'm really looking forward to dropping these cals down to 3000 on Wednesday. I'm certain I will lose even faster. The reason Kimkins works so well, is for the same reason. The more calories one drops, the quicker they lose. Of course, I would never want to drop my fat ratio down as low as they do. That is so bad on the body. When it comes to good health, animal fat is where it's at. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:08 am Post subject:
Dean,
Great experiment. It is truly fasinating to read daily. I've gotten really lean three times in my life - down to about 6.5% bodyfat. The first time in my mid thirties - I used a 1500 calories a day diet based on 60% carbs, 20% protein, and 20% fat. It took about 4 months and it was god awful. Always hungery, thinking about food all the time, mood swings, and a host of other things. It took tremendous willpower. Anyway, as you well know as soon as I ended, the weight gain came back with a vengance, I ate tons of carbs and fats, put a good 30 pounds on in about six months. I went from a really lean weight of 185 pounds to 215. About 4 years ago, weighing in at 220 pounds I went on a zero carb diet of 2200 calories and I went down to about 6.5% this time weighing 192 lbs. The high fat diet obviously preserved or stimulated muscle growth as I lost fat. I used HIT weight training and only worked out once a week for about 15 minutes. The whole process took 3 and 1/2 months. However, it was a diet and not a lifestyle change and as soon as I started eating carbs... you know the rest. Well here I am almost 50 and I weigh 227 pounds. I'm trying to lean out again and this time I"m making it a lifestyle change. I try to eat as close to zero carbs as I can. I'm not counting calories and only eat when I'm hungery, which is sometimes just twice a day. I still only work out once a week for about 12-15 minutes, weights only, don't believe in cardio. I'm a firm believer that bodyfat lost is 90% diet and 10% exercise. There is a great book out by Dr. Doug McGuff and John Little called Body By Science which talks about how little exercise you need and that intensity is the key. I'm just taking it one day at a time.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:32 am Post subject:
Greg,
Thanks for sharing your story. This is quite the journey for many. I've been working on becoming more and more comfortable with Carnivore eating. I've been at it for a number of years, counting my paleo years, when I was eating predominantly meat. I've learned that even if you slip up and eat junk, to just stay on the Bus and keep on tryin'. It gets easier and easier the more good habits you develop. Learning how to cook different meats and how to season them, figuring out which meats are your staples, and what non-animal foods, if any, to include. I'm still experimenting.
One really good way to develop this WOE is to do an elimination type thing, where you start with just eating meat and drinking water. You could even start with naked meat and then progress to seasoning it. This approach will allow you to monitor what's going on, and enable you too see what foods you can handle, like dairy and the like. I'm planning on adding in some butter next week. Once I got locked up in this wing of the Ward, they told me I couldn't have even one lick of the stuff.
I'm dreamin' of a hot buttered Boot Babe. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:42 am Post subject:
Sunday January 25
3972 Calories
86% Fat
Chicken Wings
Pork Belly
Chuck Eye
Turkey
I ate something from each of the four food groups today. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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