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Sunday February 1
3389 Calories
80% Fat
Turkey
Chuck Eye
I ate so much turkey today, I thought it was Thanksgiving! 
I soaked my chuck eye steaks in tallow. They were so tender. 
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Dean, do the catacombs under the metabolic ward have padded walls? AC is sure going to need them. 
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You know, I've never been down there, but, I've heard there are lots of MAD spiders crawling all over the place! 
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God Dean, you are the King of Tallow! 
WTG! And sleepy dreams (get it turkey?) I sure wish you had a glucometer through all this and posted your blood sugars at 4 and 6 hours!
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Pooti,
That's what you're supposed to be doing in your wing of the Ward. 
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Monday February 2
2640 Calories
77% Fat
Turkey
Chuck Eye
After tomorrow, I can start puttin' butter on my chuck eyes!  That should get my fat ratios up, huh? 
Of course, I can think of places where I can put butter that will really get my fat ratios (and something else) up! 
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Tuesday February 3
2581 Calories
78% Fat
Turkey
Chuck Eye
Well, I finally ate up the rest of my turkey. I roasted two 20 pound birds during the holidaze and that meat is finally gone. I've still got about 40 chuck eyes, however. 
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Happy Wednesday Dean!!!! I bet you are marinating in a butter bath today!!!??? Am I right? Huh? Huh??? Well put your snorkle down and tell us, did ya have eggs and cheese with buttah for brekky????!!!!! Inquiring minds and all!
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Week 1 : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Jan 20
Maintenance Calories: 2107
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 5232
Average Fat: 86%
Expected: 2.8 kg body fat gain
Actual: 0.4 kg body fat loss
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Week 2 : Wed Jan 21 - Tue Jan 27
Maintenance Calories: 2103
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 4026
Average Fat: 88%
Expected: 1.7 kg body fat gain
Actual: 1.9 kg body fat loss
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Week 3 : Wed Jan 28 - Tue Feb 3
Maintenance Calories: 2097
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 3057
Average Fat: 84%
Expected: 0.9 kg body fat gain
Actual: 2.0 kg body fat loss
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Total : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Feb 3
Average Calories: 4105
Average Fat: 86%
Expected: 5.4 kg body fat gain
Actual: 4.3 kg body fat loss
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Week 3 results are in!
Still losin' on excess calories.
Now we'll see what cow pus does to this equation.
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Week 4 : Wed Feb 4 - Tue Feb 10
Maintenance Calories: 2081
Food: Seasoned Meat & Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Water
Wednesday February 4
3028 Calories
80% Fat
Ground Beef
Provolone Cheese
Eggs
mmmmmmmm! Now, this is much more like it!
Wow, I really missed eggs and cheese.
Used enough lard to fry the eggs in to kick the cals over 3K.
That's where I'll be aimin' again this week... 3000 calories. However, I'm gonna be doin' some eggs, cheese, and butter.
Heather, turn the heat up and melt some of that butter, would ya?
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Dean, did you have any indigestion problems eating cheese? My body didn't like cow dairy too much, the goat is much better. Just curious.
Don't overdo it in the back of the bus...ease into it..maybe just use a 1/2 a stick of butter.
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y0u have to be careful with cheese, but, I'm happy to report that I did not experience any issues, and I ate quite a bit of that provolone!
Heather's the one who will have to go easy on the butter. I think she may have to use the cuffs to keep me from overdoing anything! 
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| Dean- Don't worry. You are in good hands. I am a master of the secret ways of the Boot Babes ( remember that top secret training ) and I am sure I will be able to keep you under control, even with all the butter. I've got it all warmed up for you. |
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So in week 3 you ate about 7000 calories less than you did for week 2, yet you lost virtually the same amount of weight. It sure seems that the number of calories is not all that important. Could Bear be right again?
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Yes.
On ZCarnivore, calories are irrelevant.
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| Dean wrote: | Yes.
On ZCarnivore, calories are irrelevant. |
And you use to be somewhat of a skeptic. I think that's why these individual experiments are so important. People can hear someone tell them that calories don't matter, but they will not really believe it until they experience it for themselves.
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Thursday February 5
3114 Calories
82% Fat
Ground Beef
Provolone Cheese
Italian Sausage/Provolone Cheese Omelet
Excellent eating today! Yah, I sure missed my dairy. I just hope it doesn't jinx this body fat loss deal. 
The Italian sausage is just fresh ground pork with wonderful dry seasoning. I missed that stuff too. I will be making an Italian Sausage Pizza Omelet here real soon!
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Man, it's so good to be back IFing! I went till very late this evening with no food. I got so fricken high from doing the fasting. Felt utterly fantastic all day. I'm getting in such great moods doing this ZCarnivore thing. It's like I have forgotten what depression and anxiety feel like. Sweet!
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Dean, I am wondering if you might have some tips for me?
I am not eating anywhere near the calories you have been, but I am aiming for 80% fat from calories this month, and I am getting a bit nauseous. I like to eat just 2 meals a day, morning and evening with 10-12 hours inbetween, but for me to eat that much fat in one sitting isn't very doable (as of yet). How many meals are you eating a day? Does it get easier? Did you have this problem? Or did you eat tallow/marrow broth inbetween meals?
Any imput would be much appreciated, Thanks, y0u.
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y0u know, back in the beginning, I was eating meals spread out through the day, but, starting this week I'm back to IF, which I love, and, therefore, eating just in the evenings, although, that may be two or even three times. Usually it's just two.
I use a lot of lard to cook omelets in, and when I eat these gigantic over one pound burgers, they are super fatty ground beef, and I pour all the drippings over the meat and eat all of it. I also have been using lots of cheese as well. All and all, the calories creep up there. I still get a bit nauseous myself, but, nothing like the first week of this experiment! I'm glad that part is over!
Of course, now that I've added dairy back in, gettin' in lots of animal fat is not hard at all. Especially when I get to lick all that butter of them Boot Babes!
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Friday February 6
2947 Calories
83% Fat
Italian Sausage/Provolone Cheese Omelet
Ground Beef
Pepper Jack Cheese
Butter
I've been doin' as much animal fat as I can to help bring up the calories and fat percentages. Gettin' butter off the butter dish helps out a lot.
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| Dean wrote: | Yah, it's hard for me to basically drink down all this animal fat, but, I really wanna find out if dairy was the reason jeff and I were stalling last year or if it's just as Eades says, that, while excess dietary fat will be burned up in futile cycles, one must reduce the amount of dietary fat in order to lose body fat.
That is really the heart of this MAM Experiment. |
Where are we with this, now?
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Yah, tell me about it!
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Saturday February 7
3646 Calories
80% Fat
Italian Sausage/Provolone Cheese Omelet
What do you get when you take one pound of Italian sausage, a half pound of provolone cheese, 4 large eggs, and cook it all in 4 oz of lard?
A 3646 calorie omelet!
Man, this thing was so filling I had to eat it in two servings, an hour apart. There were so many huge chunks of sausage and it was just oozing all over with provolone.
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Great Going Dean!
You should drop that Silly IF.
I think your experiment has shown how irrelevant IF is to losing weight. Also how irrelevant calories are. |
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Dave,
I don't do IF for weight loss. Never have. I do it so my body has a chance to heal. It makes me feel great. Same thing with exercise. It's not necessary to do that for weight loss, but, it makes me feel good and builds my muscles, increases circulation, moves lymph around, sweats out toxins, etc. Of course, if I don't exercise, I'm not worried too much about it, and if I do eat whenever, same thing.
I also don't think it's necessary to eliminate every last carb from one's diet to lose weight. In fact, when I used to eat tons of fruits and veggies and meat (no dairy) I lost no problem. I do strict animal food because it is simple, and it feels good, and it is healing to my body. I think eating animal food is WAY more important than doing ZC. Animal fat especially is where all the good nutrients are. I really don't trust non-animal fats at all. I think they are very dangerous to our bodies from a biochemical perspective.
As far as the most benign sources of non-animal food, I would guess that veggies might not be too bad, except the fiber. Berries might actually be the best. Of course, those things just complicate my diet and cause me to spend extra time and money on something I can do without. However, if in the future I decide to eat mushrooms, berries, or even carrots in stews, I'm not gonna trip on it in the least. Now that would be silly, Dave.
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Sunday February 8
3186 Calories
82% Fat
Ground Beef
Provolone Cheese
Eggs
Pepper Jack Cheese
I fried those eggs in so much lard, I thought I would puke. All in the name of science.
You know, even though I'm doin' eggs and cheese, I'm still keepin' my carbs around 5g a day. So, technically (according to Bear) that's still ZC.
Need I say more? Can I have some wine now?
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Wine can come next, after week 4 results are in! 
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Was just kidding, jeff! Sorry, but you're not gonna get me to be your enabler.
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| Dean wrote: | | Can I have some wine now? |
NO! but you can whine about it.
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| Dean wrote: | | Was just kidding, jeff! Sorry, but you're not gonna get me to be your enabler. |
Right.....that's what Bobi's for. It's all her fault anyways. 
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Monday February 9
2786 Calories
78% Fat
Eggs
Provolone Cheese
Cheesy Meat Balls
Chuck Eye
I have never made meat balls in my life. I know they are supposed to have bread crumbs in them, but, I have been having this fantasy since way back in the Fall, when I gave up cheese, that one day, when I would be stuck in the Metabolic Ward, surrounded by all these beautiful Boot Babes ... Wait!  That was another fantasy! But, yah, I've been having this fantasy about making meatballs with various dry seasoning and shredded cheese. So, tonight, I grabbed three pounds of ground beef, some various seasonings, some shredded pepper jack, and four large eggs. I kneaded all this together in a large mixing bowl and then formed meat balls and threw 'em in a 350 degree oven for a bit over a half hour. Thing is, I put WAY too much cheese in 'em! Go figure. With cheese, I seem to have an over indulgence impulse. Of course, that's the same problem I have with that other fantasy. But, at least for that they make handcuffs!
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Those balls o' meat sound yummy!!!
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| Gotta keep those fantasies straight Dean. It must be that PETA video that got you confused. |
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YES!
It's all the vegans' fault!
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Tuesday February 10
2982 Calories
77% Fat
Cheesy Meat Balls
Eggs
Provolone Cheese
Chuck Eye
So, the question for me is what's next?
Any suggestions?
No?
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Have you continued to lose weight after adding the cheese and eggs. What are the results of your last test?
I'd look at either:
1. Adding in 5g of veggie carbs to take you to 10g/day
or
2. Instead of the 5g veg, maybe trying having a nightly glass of wine
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Yeah, I think it depends on the results of the past week.
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I say fill the bathtub up with butter and invite some Boot Babes over!!
But that's just a suggestion..
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| y0u wrote: | I say fill the bathtub up with butter and invite some Boot Babes over!!
But that's just a suggestion.. |
Just what I was thinking! 
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Hmmmm... a nightly glass of wine with a bathtub full of butter and Boot Babes!
Now, that sounds like the perfect addition to this MAM Experiment!
Whaddaya think AC would say about that one?
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I don't think AC was invited...was he?
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Week 1 : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Jan 20
Maintenance Calories: 2107
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 5232
Average Fat: 86%
Expected: 2.8 kg body fat gain
Actual: 0.4 kg body fat loss
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Week 2 : Wed Jan 21 - Tue Jan 27
Maintenance Calories: 2103
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 4026
Average Fat: 88%
Expected: 1.7 kg body fat gain
Actual: 1.9 kg body fat loss
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Week 3 : Wed Jan 28 - Tue Feb 3
Maintenance Calories: 2097
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Average Calories: 3057
Average Fat: 84%
Expected: 0.9 kg body fat gain
Actual: 2.0 kg body fat loss
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Week 4 : Wed Feb 4 - Tue Feb 10
Maintenance Calories: 2081
Food: Seasoned Meat & Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Water
Average Calories: 3098
Average Fat: 80%
Expected: 0.9 kg body fat gain
Actual: 0.8 kg body fat loss
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Total : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Feb 10
Average Calories: 3853
Average Fat: 85%
Expected: 6.3 kg body fat gain
Actual: 5.1 kg body fat loss
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Week 4 results are in!
Looks like the loss slowed down a bit with the addition of eggs and cheese. I think I should continue the same WOE for another week or so, just to see what happens.
Since I find it too hard to stick to IF and eat this many calories, I've given that up, and I've also ditched the exercise idea, since I did not get around to it this last week. I started this experiment leaving those out, and, so, I'll continue that way.
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Week 5 : Wed Feb 11 - Tue Feb 17
Maintenance Calories: 2069
Food: Seasoned Meat & Eggs, Butter, Water
Wednesday February 11
3077 Calories
78% Fat
Italian Sausage/Provolone Cheese Omelet
Chuck Eye
Had to put lots of tallow on my chuck eyes and swim that omelet in lard to bring up the fat ratio.
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Thursday February 12
3188 Calories
81% Fat
Ground Beef
Provolone Cheese
Italian Sausage
Eggs
Pepper Jack Cheese
Chuck Eye
Butter
I'm DONE with dairy!  It's just not worth it anymore.
For the last week, I've had gut issues, constipation, belly bloating, sinus problems, and crazy cravings. Now I've got a brick in my colon and a stuffed up head! I know other Bus members who have had similar problems with this crap, and, so, it's official. Aside from a little butter for dipping seafood in, I'm all through with the cow pus!
It's not even a paleo food. It's an agricultural concoction that has caused me way too much grief. Well, no more! I'm shippin' this stuff back to Wisconsin, where it belongs! They can have it all. They can have my entire corporation. jeff, tell the governor to make my restraining order permanent! I don't care if I never see another dairy cow again!
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Did you ever try goat? no......not like that...I mean goat cheese.
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I don't want to eat goat... or it's pus! Thank you very much.
I'd rather eat rubbish than any animal pus.
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| Dean wrote: | | I'm shippin' this stuff back to Wisconsin, where it belongs! They can have it all. They can have my entire corporation. jeff, tell the governor to make my restraining order permanent! |
Consider it done!
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Dean I hope the earth "moves" for you soon, sweetie!!!! Wish I could follow your lead. I can of course. I'm just weak and haven't been constipated enough lately to talk crazy. :-/ Maybe some of your good behavior will rub off on me? I'll trade ya some buttah!
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| Dean wrote: | | Looks like the loss slowed down a bit with the addition of eggs and cheese. |
It did slow down a bit, but I don't know that we can really blame the eggs and cheese. You still lost twice as much as in week 1, when you were doing only meat and water. And you still lost about 2 pounds, which ain't bad.
Your other issues with dairy are certainly a concern, but dairy certainly did not prevent weight loss.
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