Location: Midwest USA Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 839 Born: 15 July 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject:
Dean- I wish I could lose like that on 3000 plus calories a day. You men seem to have the advantage that way. Even with all the exercise I can't do that. ----I can't wait to see how your MAM experiment turns out.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject:
Heather,
What is your daily carb count, and how high animal fat are you doing? Do you do dairy?
Even though I have done super high calories over the last couple days, over 5000 at 80% fat each day, I have actually lost 0.1 kg of body fat in the last two days. Go figure. Maybe upping the cals is just the ticket to breaking a stall on this WOE. Or, it could be the absence of diary. Who knows. I'm just happy I'm not gaining.
I'm going to have to get some fish oil today (more animal fat) because I do have some inflammation in my left leg that has been there for the last couple months, and it just won't go away. I started getting other inflammation in my joints and so I've been taking vitamin C supps. Don't know if that is helping or not, but, the other inflammation seems to be reduced. Just wish my left leg did not have it. Will see if the fish oil has any effect. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 5981 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:22 am Post subject:
Dean wrote:
So, I would guesstimate that I have been consuming well over 3000 calories for the past couple months, and I have lost body fat, to the tune of over 6 kilos!
Keep in mind, my calorie needs are about 2500 a day.
Dean, this was similar to my experience a few of years ago. I went from 175 to 165 while consuming about 2500 calories per day. My daily coloric needs would be a bit less than yours; about 2200 per day. I lost this weight in about 6 weeks, as I recall. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:48 am Post subject:
Week 1 : Wed Jan 14 - Tue Jan 20
Maintenance Calories: 2107
Food: Seasoned Meat and Water
Wednesday January 14
5168 Calories
81% Fat
Chicken Wings
Turkey
Beef Brisket
This is getting pretty easy, actually. I think my body is becoming more accustomed to all the extra fat I've been adding to my meat. Hell, as cold as it is outside, it probably welcomes it.
I just wish I could do butter, cuz, I could get this up to 6000 calories easy. I love eating unsalted butter.
Here we go, folks. This MAM Experiment is underway!
In addition to these daily posts, I will post my body fat loss (or gain) every Wednesday. By now, I have no more glycogen stores to lose, since I've been absolute zero carb for some time. So, none of this loss is going to be water weight. I will also post the daily averages of the weekly calories and fat percentages along with my maintenance calories. Weeks will go Wednesday through Tuesday.
Stay tuned. The show is on. The fun is now beginning. I'm up for it. I think I will actually lose quicker this way, because of the revved up metabolism. Futile cycles and a well-fed body should get this body fat a burnin'! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Sausalito Ca. Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 28 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:
Dean, have you ever read Ray Peat's works. Not sure I totally buy into it, but I have had some nasty fish oils. I bought one's directly from Denmark, supposedly cold pressed, that I think went bad in no time. Another directly from a processor in Alaska who also claimed to be low temp produced, that ended up actually hurting my stomach immediately after taking. So I don't have a definitive opinion, for I love the idea of incorporating DHA into my diet besides the few eggs I eat from my farm, but there is a lot written about the oxidative ability of fish oils.
Location: Midwest USA Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 839 Born: 15 July 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:
Dean- I no longer track the carb grams on fitday, as it was such a drag. I just know which foods are close enough to no carbs. I do include dairy, and occasional vegetation (especially for social reasons). Even when I did track very closely, 1800 was about the maximum calories I could allow and lose any fat. --- I may have to give up dairy for awhile, or make other changes, but I am not going to do it right now. I am just going to keep up with my training, IF, HIIT and see how things progress. If I don't keep making progress, then I'll lock myself into the metabolic ward for testing.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject:
Heather L wrote:
If I don't keep making progress, then I'll lock myself into the metabolic ward for testing.
Or some rehabilitation? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject:
Van wrote:
Dean, have you ever read Ray Peat's works. Not sure I totally buy into it, but I have had some nasty fish oils. I bought one's directly from Denmark, supposedly cold pressed, that I think went bad in no time. Another directly from a processor in Alaska who also claimed to be low temp produced, that ended up actually hurting my stomach immediately after taking. So I don't have a definitive opinion, for I love the idea of incorporating DHA into my diet besides the few eggs I eat from my farm, but there is a lot written about the oxidative ability of fish oils.
Van,
Thanks for this post. What do you think about cod liver oil? It is winter time, and perhaps that would serve a dual purpose. What about wild salmon oil? My left leg is really stiff in one of the larger muscles, and it is a mystery as to why. I've been taking C, but that has not helped, yet, anyway. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject:
Cody wrote:
Finally!
Well, Cody, I wanted to wait another two weeks to get more keto-adapted. Although, this might be a good test to see what happens the first two weeks, because, if I'm not keto-adapted enough, and don't eat enough protein, then I may end up using my own muscle to furnish glucose, whereas, later, when I'm more keto-adapted, I will be able to use fat for some of those cells. On the other hand, with this many calories, perhaps I am getting enough protein. Only the black box knows for sure, huh?
We shall see.
I think the best thing at this point is to keep my fat around 80%, just so a baseline can be established. I'm going to do two week intervals to see what goes on. After two weeks, I will change something, and then see what happens the next two weeks. Any suggestions on what types of things I should do in the various two week periods would be appreciated. Suggestions of eating thousands of calories of carbs is not one I will consider, though. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:46 am Post subject:
Dean, have you read Dr. Atkins book? He talks about the fat fast, and folks eating 1000 cals consisting of 90% fat lost by far the least amount of muscle than the other diets (high pro and high carb). I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to muscle. The main thing is to work those muscles, so your body knows you need to hold onto them. _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:49 am Post subject:
1000 calories is a LOT less than 5000!
Yah, with 230 g of protein, I don't think I should be worried about losing muscle. I should be worried about the toxic effects of all that protein. Wow, can I really shovel more fat into my body? Can I have some butter, please? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:01 am Post subject:
Thursday January 15
5356 Calories
82% Fat
Chicken Wings
Beef Brisket
Turkey
Well, today, I edged the fat up a bit. Really need to get it higher, though. I'm gonna roast some pork belly tomorrow, so, that should help.
I sure hope I'm not gonna gain body fat doing this many calories.
If I do, AC may come up from the depths to haunt us all!
Sorta like The Phantom of the Opera.
He might even kidnap one of the Boot Babes! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:12 am Post subject:
If you do gain it Dean, no worries, as you'll have a fat burning metabolism, and you should be able to burn it back off no probs, just lower your calories. I seriously doubt you will gain weight, though. At the worst, I'm guessing you stay the same. _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
For me, it says: To maintain your body weight eat 2107 calories.
I thought my maintenance cals were more around 2500, but, they are even lower. According to this, I should be gaining about one pound a day! We'd better lock up the Boot Babes, just to play it safe. We can hide 'em in my cell. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 5981 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject:
Dean, I am impressed that you are eating over 5000 cals per day, and without supplementing with butter, cream, etc. I had a hard time getting to around 4000 per day. Although, I did have a few days where I was 5000-6000. Most people would think it would be easy and fun to eat that much, but it's really quite a chore, isn't it? _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Midwest USA Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 839 Born: 15 July 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject:
I don't think AC would mess with any of the Boot Babes... some of them are armed with whips, you know. I am sure they would love to visit your cell, just in case.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:
Heather, I think you're right! Perhaps we should get all these Boot Babes (with whips) together and have a few meetings (in my cell, or even the back of the Bus) to practice some of these defensive moves.
Maybe jeff will even volunteer to be a subject for that. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:
Loops wrote:
Hi Dean -
just saw this and wanting to wish you luck! Or maybe you won't need it with all that fat anyway!
I love these experiments. One day I might try one myself - I get stuffed pretty easily though on anything over about 2000Kcal.
Loops
Hey Loops! Good to see ya around. Thanks for the support.
Yah, it's hard for me to basically drink down all this animal fat, but, I really wanna find out if dairy was the reason jeff and I were stalling last year or if it's just as Eades says, that, while excess dietary fat will be burned up in futile cycles, one must reduce the amount of dietary fat in order to lose body fat.
That is really the heart of this MAM Experiment. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject:
jeff wrote:
Dean, I am impressed that you are eating over 5000 cals per day, and without supplementing with butter, cream, etc. I had a hard time getting to around 4000 per day. Although, I did have a few days where I was 5000-6000. Most people would think it would be easy and fun to eat that much, but it's really quite a chore, isn't it?
You said it! It's a bitch!
The only way I've been able to do this is to actually use so much animal fat on my meat, that, when it's reheated, it is simply swimming in fat, and I will take a spoon and just eat the fat like soup.
I'm getting ready to make some pemmican using powdered dry meat and tallow that I have in my freezer. I will have to consult the web for how to make this stuff, since I never have. This will give me a huge amount of fat. Perhaps I can push these fat amounts into the fatosphere. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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How do you powder meat? Do you think if you dried it, then froze it, then processed it that would do it? I can't see myself sitting there with a molcahette pounding out dried beef! :D _________________ 314/283/150
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:58 am Post subject:
Pooti,
You dry it on rocks, out in the blazing sun, then you beat it for hours with other rocks to pulverize it.
OR... if you have a dehydrator (or Nuwave), a food processor, and a small coffee grinder, you can first put the dried meat into a food processor to get it as ground up as possible, then, you feed this stuff into the coffee grinder and grind the crap out of it, until it is the consistency of white flour or powdered sugar (pick your poison). What I did was took it one step further and used a flour sifter and some fine mesh strainers to make sure the stuff that was "done" was very, very fine. Took a long time, but I now have a huge gallon freezer bag full of this glorious stuff. It is dried bison round, but it is as fine as cumin.
If you're so inclined, you can also dry various berries with the meat, and then grind and pulverize all of it at the same time, mixing it together as you go. The natives would call this "sweet beat meat". No foolin'. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Near Edmonton, Canada Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 264 Born: 18 April 1965 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:49 am Post subject:
Hi,
My hubby just got some teeth pulled and then the post office lost his new dentures so he was without top teeth for about 10 days. He could not chew so I would dehydrate beef for him in my Nuwave then throw it into by Magic Bullet until it was ground up. I mixed it with some beef tallow I had rendered a few a weeks ago. This is what he lived on mainly. Unfortunately, he is not a ZC'er and washed his pemmican down with coffee with ample amounts of sugar in it (probably the reason he had to get dentures - years of drinking this syrupy mess). If he would have dropped the carbs, he could have been my very own ZC experiment. Good luck with mixing up a batch, Dean.
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 5981 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:33 am Post subject:
Dean wrote:
Heather, I think you're right! Perhaps we should get all these Boot Babes (with whips) together and have a few meetings (in my cell, or even the back of the Bus) to practice some of these defensive moves.
Maybe jeff will even volunteer to be a subject for that.
I am soooooo there! _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:32 am Post subject:
Friday January 16
5833 Calories
84% Fat
Beef Brisket
Turkey
Pork Belly
The animal fat fest continues.
My highest calories and fat percentage yet!
Boy, after that first meal, I almost puked! I was spooning down all that brisket fat and got so nauseous. It subsided in about a half hour or so. Although, I was pretty bloated after each of these three large meals.
I roasted a couple 20 lb turkeys awhile back, and split up the various parts into different gallon freezer bags, and strained all the drippings into small containers, and now I'm pullin' this stuff out of the freezer, putting different parts and skin and beautiful breast meat, along with lots of the fat, into a covered glass container that I use to mic this stuff. It is then just swimming in so much fat.
I really did a fine job on seasoning these turkeys. Boy, they are delicious. I roast these guys breast side down, with the lid on the roaster, and they just fall to pieces when I take them out of the oven, and the skin is so nice and golden brown. The bird is wading in a huge amount of fat, with the breast totally submerged in this delicious pool. This breast meat is the best I've ever had. Soooo tender.
This pork belly I roasted... whoa! I used Red's recipe.
And, you can bet I did not do the naked belly. I went all out and rubbed both sides with all the spices. Talk about grandiose tasting stuff! Melt in your mouth hog heaven. I dip pieces of this hog cake into the best chinese dips I make with red/black vinegar and hot sesame oil and chili oil.
I am on cloud fricken ninety-nine, eatin' all this wonderful animal fat. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 5981 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject:
Dean, you seem to be enjoying this just a little too much. Do you feel any different lately? _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject:
It's the only thing that keeps me motivated to keep shoveling all this fricken food into my mouth!
Here's the deal. I love preparing these meats, and I love eating them, but, when I eat this much, especially with all the fat I've been consuming, afterwards, I get to feeling pretty sick. And, I even get that speedy feeling, like when you drink way too much coffee. It's a good thing I quit the java. All this fat is giving me way too much energy!
Hell, this morning I was still feeling sick from all that pork belly I ate. That stuff is so fatty. Of course, I ate the skin, which tastes like cracklins, and I had put a lot of seasoning on it, but, still, I was way too queasy to blame it just on that. It's these ridiculous quantities of food that are making me a bit ill. I'm used to IFing all day and just eating once, in the evening, and maybe eating a small amount of food later on. So, this has been hard, jeff.
I have to make it fun and get into the cooking and seasoning side of things to keep going. No way could I do naked meat and eat this many calories. I mean, you had a hard time, and you were able to eat butter and drink down heavy cream. I'd be in heaven, pushing 7000 calories, if I could do dairy.
I think I am going to have no choice but to reduce my calories somewhat. Now, if I could start using butter, I'd have no problem keeping them elevated. I don't think butter is necessarily going to stall me, is it? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 5981 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject:
Dean wrote:
I think I am going to have no choice but to reduce my calories somewhat. Now, if I could start using butter, I'd have no problem keeping them elevated. I don't think butter is necessarily going to stall me, is it?
I'd like to see you go at least 2 weeks before adding butter. If you drop your calories a bit, so be it. Even at 3500-4000 calories per day, you're still consuming an excess of 1000-1500 calories per day. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject:
I think Ghee might be ok, it's clarified butter. When you clarify it, you remove all of the milk solids from it. It's then pure fat. _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
For the last three days, I've averaged 5452 calories, which is an average excess of 3345, which would be a 2.87 lb body fat gain by now. This morning I found that I am dead stalled. We'll see what it is at the end of this first week, next Wednesday. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject:
Saturday January 17
4911 Calories
82% Fat
Beef Brisket
Turkey
Pork Belly
Well, I almost got in 5000+ cals again.
I feel like a total glutton, consuming all this meat and fat!
My bets are on Eades' explanations of futile cycles and the body not touching fat stores if dietary fat is high enough. I'm going to make sure my daily calorie average is over 5000 this first week, then, next week I'll make sure it is over 4000, and so on. We'll see which week I start burning my own body fat for fuel. How's that for a plan? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Near Edmonton, Canada Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 264 Born: 18 April 1965 Gender: Female
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:21 am Post subject:
Hi Dean,
That is an awesome plan! It may just answer some of the questions I have. I am still stalled at the same weight I stopped losing at in April. Thanks for doing this experiment!
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:38 am Post subject:
Sunday January 18
5062 Calories
90% Fat
Beef Brisket
Pork Belly
Just got it over 5K on the cals... and look at that fat percentage.
Decided to eat the fattiest stuff I've got to get those cals and fat ratios up.
Just wish this was gonna help me lose some fat around my belly.
Well, at least I don't appear to be gaining, which is quite spooky, really. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:22 am Post subject:
Valcan wrote:
Hi Dean,
That is an awesome plan! It may just answer some of the questions I have. I am still stalled at the same weight I stopped losing at in April. Thanks for doing this experiment!
Val
Val,
This is reminding me so much of last year. During the February Carnivore Contest, I lost about half a kilo during the whole month. I was consuming loads of calories from high fat processed meats, cheese, cream, etc. I lost, even though my calories were well above my maintenance, but, it was a pretty slow loss. Then, when I dumped some of the more calorically dense foods for the March Contest, I lost one kilo of body fat during that month. Again, too slow of a loss, but a loss non the less, even on excess calories. Then, during the April Contest, when I cut out all dairy, except a bit of butter, getting rid of even more calories, I dropped 6 kilos in a month! This year, I've lost 6 kilos in a couple months, from cutting out dairy, and sorta watching my fat and calories a bit. I'm sure I would have lost more if I had not been drinking wine off and on during these last couple months. Now, just in the last week, I've completely stalled, and it's because of upping my cals to super amounts. I may actually be losing, but at such a super slow rate that it appears to be a stall.
Here's my theory. I think a person can NEVER gain on ZC. They will actually lose, no matter how many calories they eat, as long as they keep at it long enough and NEVER cheat. However, the lower the calories, the quicker they will lose. Although, it is very important to lose at a moderate rate, making sure you get enough protein to prevent muscle wasting, and to get enough fat to make sure you don't do yourself more harm than good. My advice to you would be to try eating one or two meals a day, and make sure you are getting around 70% animal fat and the rest animal protein. Eat totally ZCarnivore, and don't cheat. Just to see what is going on, make sure to use FitDay and keep an eye on getting enough protein and that 70% fat in. I bet if your calories are fairly low, close to or even a bit below maintenance, you will lose a lot, and you will lose faster doing this than any other method. I've done low fat calorie counting before, and I know that you have to make sure you are always under maintenance, and even then, it's painfully slow. There IS a metabolic advantage to ZC. Check out this calculator. It even ups your maintenance calories if you are doing a "Metabolic Advantage" WOE (keto). I personally think ZC is even more of an advantage than this calculator gives.
_________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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I just posted a re-print of a blog post written by Peter over at Hyperlipid about ASP (Acylation Stimulating Protein). It's a pretty interesting read.
Here's the link to it:
It addresses fat regulation - storage and mobilization. He seems to think it is possible to gain fat if the calories are high enough. It will be so interesting to see what happens with your experiment. _________________ 314/283/150
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:15 am Post subject:
Yes, with all that hot melted butter, it's quite easy, huh, Heather? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:27 am Post subject:
Monday January 19
5422 Calories
93% Fat
Pork Belly
Beef Ribs
Ate a huge amount of food today. It seems that ever since I started doing this, I've been stretching my stomach so much that it feels "empty" more often, and I can eat more. What's happening to me?!
The ribs I ate today were like over 75% fat, and I was just swallowing the fat down along with the small amount of meat. It was very disgusting, to say the least. My stomach was sorta hurting for awhile afterwards.
All in the name of science, huh?
I can't wait till Wednesday gets here! _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:29 am Post subject:
Dean, I feel for you. I start to get a little disgusted at 80% fat. Seems like ~70% is the sweet spot for me. _________________ Blah blah, woof woof - Jimi Hendrix
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:36 am Post subject:
Yah, and that may actually be necessary in order to lose weight. I mean, you can't drop protein too far, so, if you are doing ZC, there is only fat to drop, huh? _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
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Location: Waukee, IA Joined: 05 Jan 2009 Posts: 66 Born: 21 September 1973 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:54 am Post subject:
Well, the amount of protein we actually need is very small.
Keep in mind, that when your body converts back triglycerides into free fatty acids, there is a leftover glycerol molecule. This can be used by the organs that still need glucose. Not all of our glucose needs HAVE to come from protein. A high fat diet has been shown to have a protein sparing effect, at least in VLC (as in Very Low Calorie) diets. You have plenty of cals, so I wouldn't worry about getting in enough protein. I would say 80 grams per day would be plenty to maintain muscle mass. It only becomes an issue if you are starving and NOT working the muscles.
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You men seem to have the advantage that way. Even with all the exercise I can't do that. ----I can't wait to see how your MAM experiment turns out. 
Will see if the fish oil has any effect.
