The Magic Bus Trip

jeff · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject:

Karen has a hidden talent! Nice poem.

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Karen G · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject:

Thanks Jeff. I'm glad you liked my corny poetry. I've given up coffee before, recently, in fact. But it didn't haunt me like it is now. I wonder if it's because I've given up all carbs? I'm still dragging butt. I made it to the gym this am, like a good girl, but now I could go back to sleep if I wasn't working.

I slept 7.5 hours last night, which is normal for during the week for me. I tend to sleep a lot more on weekends (10-12 hours). I probably should try to get to bed earlier during the week and keep the same sleep schedule on weekends. I'm desperately hoping I eventually fall into the "I need less sleep" pattern that I have read about so much on the bus.

Hey, should I put all this rambling in a journal, or is it helpful to list whether or not I'm tired, my cravings, and my corny take on coffee here? Suggestions anyone?
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jeff · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject:

I suppose the jounal section might be more appropriate. To make it easy on you, I bet Dean could transfer the whole thing for you. That way you wouldn't have to start from scratch. If that sounds good, I'd suggest you send Dean a PM.
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Dean · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject:

Well, this is an experiment in the Ward, no? And, hearing all about the issues that are affecting you as you go through this experiment is very helpful and useful. Yup

Of course, you are perfectly welcome to start a journal as well, if you want, Karen. Cool

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jeff · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject:

Nevermind........ LOL

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Karen G · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:

So maybe I'll leave this here, list my food and other things that could be related, and then start a journal for all my other shenanigans. Or we could just stick with shenanigans in both. Devil

Figured out why I'm so tired. The old bod was getting ready for the migraine that hit today. It's not so bad, didn't put me to bed, but I ended up taking 4 ibuprophen. Tried 2, that didn't cut it. Still feel like crap. Maybe I'll tackle the journal thing another day.

I've been trying to abstain from the OTC pharmacy in my kitchen cabinet. I just realized I forgot to mention a claritin I took the other day when I went to my mom's so I could handle all the pet dander. She has two cats and two dogs, and when everyone comes over for dinner, they bring their dogs along. I think there were 5 there on Sunday. Shock

I remember reading somewhere that NSAIDs can screw with your hormones or something. And histimine? I suppose I should google it again unless someone here could enlighten me. Anyways, I figured best to avoid stuff like that.
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Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:31 am Post subject:

Food for Day 5 - 3/3:

4oz ground beef patty - 9:30 am
4oz chuck roast - 1:30
6oz pork steak - 7:00
1tbs. butter
Water

Calories: 1204 Fat 91g (69%) Protein 90g (31%) carbs 0g

Total weight lost: 5.2 lbs
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jeff · Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:

Nice job, Karen. You're doing great. Yup

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Karen G · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject:

3/4/09 Day 6

1lb ground beef patties
Water

Calories 1360 Fat 114g (76%) Protein 80g (24%) Carbs 0g

Weight 181.2 Total weight lost 5.4 Looks like the water loss is finished.
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Karen G · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject:

Forgot to post exercise for the last two days:

Tues Day 5 - 35 min weight training 12 min intervals on that damn bike.

Wed Day 6 - first yoga class 75 min forcing myself into positions that look incredibly easier than they really are.
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Karen G · Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject:

3/5/09 Day 7

Same as yesterday:

1lb ground beef patties
Water

Calories 1360 Fat 114g (76%) Protein 80g (24%) Carbs 0g

Weight 180.5 Total weight lost 5.9 Typo in yesterday's weight, should have been 181.0. Still losing! Happy

Exercise today: 30 min weights; 10 min walking on treadmill; 8 very long minutes doing intervals on the bike - however, today I got my revs up to twice my recovery. Yay!

I am still tired. I am sore as hell from all this activity that I am not used to. Hopefully I will get used to it soon. I've noticed that the coffee cravings are prevalent when I get really tired: in the morning when I get up, and again in the afternoon. No cravings for carbs, even the egg/fish cravings are diminishing now.
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Dean · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:13 am Post subject:

Karen,

Have you gone for a week now?

If so, can you post a synopsis of what happened? Pretty please. Grin

If you are not stalling, then are you going to stay on the same regimen, or are you going to do something else? If you are stalling still, what changes are you going to employ to break the stall?

Inquiring minds wanna know. Wink

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Karen G · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject:

By popular demand Wink

here's a synopsis of the first week.

Data: Total loss 5.9lbs; Ave calories: 1403; Ave fat 109g (72%); Ave protein 98g (28%); Ave carbs 0g (0%)

I am not stalled as of yet. I lost 5.9 lbs in the first 7 days, I think a lot water, and some fat. I have not used the fat % thingy on my scale because I don't think it's really accurrate, but I will tomorrow am, just to see what it says. I have exercised more this week than in the last two, and continued to lose, so that blows my theory that maybe working out stalls me. Good thing too, because I am fat and flabby now, and I don't want to be skinny and flabby when I reach my goal.

But, this morning I was 180.9 - up .4 lbs. This could be water fluctuation due to exercise or whatever, not enough sleep last night, or a reflection of the two pieces of sf gum I had last night while out. So I will continue with meat, butter, and water for a few days to see if the scale moves in the right direction again.

If I don't stall, I will add in fish, shell fish, and eggs with a few days in between each. I would rather add each in one week at a time, but I may be going on vacation with my kids the week of the 23rd, and I feel I need more choices for eating out for 4 days. But that all depends on whether or not the taxman tells me if I can afford vacay. I have a feeling I might not go, since I am in tax hell this year. Sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLry3ABpV0&feature=related

I'm not planning to try to increase my calories. They hover around 1200-1400. The average for the past 7 days is 1403 because I had two days that were higher. I am going to try to keep this type of schedule where a few days a week the calories are higher because I believe calorie cycling is important for me to continue to lose.

If I do stall, I will try CKD. I'm thinking a day of fruit and veggies will be enough to throw me out of ketosis. Then I will immediately go back to meat, butter and water until I stall again. In the past, my stalls start around the 7-10 day mark. If this is a pattern, it would leave me with one carb up day every 10-14 days. To me, a stall is 3-4 days of gaining or not losing. Might not seem enough to determine a stall for other people, but for me, if I go 3 days without losing, it will continue until I do something to change it. I do expect a gain from the carb up day, but historically I lose 2x the gain in the week following the carb up.

What I really hope happens is that I don't stall, can add in fish and eggs without any issues, and don't need to do CKD. If this is the outcome, I will add in caffeine (in the form of black coffee). I really am curious to see how the caffeine affects me. And I really love my stimulants. Devil

I am considering dropping one of my weight training sessions during the week since adding yoga. My trainer doesn't see it as a problem, but I am so sore and tired today after 3 days in a row of this, and he doesn't have to live in this body. He also swears that I need lots of cardio to lose weight, and I don't buy that crap, either. Maybe I'll give it another week and see how it goes before making this decision. My exercise schedule is: Tues am lift weights, little bit of intervals; Wed pm yoga (just started this week); Thurs am lift weights, little bit of intervals; Sat pm lift weights, little bit of intervals. The Tues/Wed/Thurs combo is what is killing me.

Any suggestions, comments, or criticism are welcome. Yup

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Heather L · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject:

Karen- You could drop one of the weight sessions for a few weeks until your body is more adapted to your workouts. If you add it back in again later, you may find that it is not as tiring. My recent experience suggests that you do not need a bunch of cardio to lose fat if you are training with weights and doing yoga. (just my experience- I am not an expert)

I wish you well with the upcoming week. Sunny

Karen G · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Heather. Everything I've read says the same as what you said about cardio. Great for conditioning, but not necessary for weight loss.
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Dean · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:

Actually, Karen, for weight loss, the yoga is the best part of your routine, including what you are eating. Cool

I hope you don't give that up.

Sunny

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Karen G · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't think of giving up yoga! For only going to one class so far, I'm really into it. Although halarious at times (we are a group of very green beginners), it was very relaxing. Ok - it was relaxing when I wasn't sweating profusely and watching my limbs tremor with the tension of holding the poses. But I know that steadyness will come with time and practice.

I can already see that it's a way to get more in tune with myself physically, mentally, and spiritually. I wish I would have had the balls to start this a long time ago. I'm finally at the point in my life where the idea of failure doesn't scare me away from trying something new or different Happy

It's about time I try to do some of the things I didn't think I was capable of.

If I do give anything up, it would only be one of the three weight training sessions I do per week, and like Heather said, I can probably add it back in later when I'm stronger. But I think I may push myself to do all of it again next week and see how it goes. I just don't want to burn out on the exercise thing, because it's important. For my head as well as my body. Sunny

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Dean · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject:

Yes, Karen, burnout is a very key thing to watch for when beginning exercise. Best to go slow into it. Developing the yoga is gonna be great for stress relief... and, for me anyway, cardio does that as well. Some people get frustrated by doing cardio, and those people should probably avoid it. If it makes you feel good and relaxes you, as walking does for me, it will help you in more ways than you know. I'm so glad the weather is warming up and I can get out and walk in the sunshine again. Cool

Sounds like you're doing great, BTW. Yup

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Karen G · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Dean, hope the weather continues to cooperate with you. Sunny

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Karen G · Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject:

3/6/09 Day 8

Ground Beef 4oz
Butter 1tbs
Water

Weight: 180.9 Total Weight lost: 5.5 lbs
Calories 680 Fat 57g (76%) Protein 40g (24%) Carbs 0g
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Karen G · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:05 am Post subject:

3/7/09 Day 9

Cravings be damned. Holy crap, they are back with a vengence today. But I didn't give in. So that was good.

Really, why do I have to walk past the cookies to get to the spices in the grocery store? And why is the deodorant in the same aisle as the coffee? I spent no less than 5 minutes staring at the coffee and smelling it. Heavenly.

6oz beef stew meat
4oz ground beef
4oz ground pork
4oz ground veal
Water

Weight: 179.7 The 170s - yay! Total weight loss: 6.7lbs

Calories: 1430 Fat 111g (71%) Protein 100g (29%) Carbs 0g

Exercise: 30 min weight training and 12 minutes of intervals. Super hot muscle man went easy on me today because I told him I felt like I got run over by a truck yesterday.

This week is the big test for me. Last week I did well, but that was coming off a two day carb binge, so I think this week's results will be more controlled. I'm hopeful that I will continue to lose, and will be able to add in fish next week. Happy

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jeff · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject:

You're doin' great, Karen. And, just remember, this is a learning experience (for all of us, since it is an experiment). You will benefit from it, either way. So, it's all good. Go easy on yourself and you will go a long way. Cravings are not your fault, but, I'm sure you already know that, don't you? Wink

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Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:16 am Post subject:

Thanks for the support Dean. I'm feeling better about the cravings now. Jeff's quote from Bear did make sense, I may just struggle with this when I have female hormonal changes. Damn hormones! Wink

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Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:26 am Post subject:

Day 10 3/8/09

WooHoo! 10 days! I made it 10 days! Did I mention it's been 10 days with no carbs? This is me we're talking about here - twinkie/pasta junkie extraordinare... 10 days with no carbs! Ecstatic

Ok, give me a minute to pull it back together.

6oz pork butt roast - not a boston butt roast. Good, but not orgasmic.
6oz angus ground beef - much closer to orgasmic, almost... Like being right on the edge, but not quite getting there.
4T butter
Water

Weight: 179.1 Total weight loss: 7.3lbs
Calories 1150 Fat 98g (78%) Protein 62g (22%) Carbs 0
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Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:37 am Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:47 am Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:18 am Post subject:

Karen, between paleoman and that cow... things just don't seem to be working out too good. Sad

Perhaps you should start giving these guys some lessons at the back of the Bus. Devil

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Every day you'll see the dust
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Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:24 am Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:31 am Post subject:

Don't forget the handcuffs! That's the best teaching tool there is! Devil

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y0u · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:36 am Post subject:

My cuffs have pink fake fur on them...less chafing.

Keep Paleoman in line with thiis.

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Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:37 am Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:38 am Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:19 am Post subject:

3/9/09 Day 11

Pork butt roast - 6oz
ground beef - 4oz
beef summer sausage (0carb) 8oz
Water

Weight: 179.6 Total weight loss: 6.8lbs.

Calories 1605 Fat 137g (78%) Protein 88g (22%) Carbs 0
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Karen G · Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject:

Ok, I am writing in here as to calm myself and become more rational this am.

My weight was 179.8 this am, up .2lbs. It's creeping up again today. Not much, I know, but this is a pattern I have come to know all too well. This is two days in a row now. I am determined to stick to ZC until the I weigh on the morning of the 15th day, to see if it will turn around over the next couple of days (today is the morning of the 12th day).

This is so frustrating. Mad

I mean, WTF do I have to do? My body responds so well to all the crap ways of losing weight, you would think it would be very happy to lose weight AND get healthier AND find something I can stick to forever to keep myself that way.

I was sooooo hoping that my experiment would prove that ZC would stop my stalls. I guess it still could, it's just not looking like such a sure thing today.
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Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:49 am Post subject:

3/10/09 Day 12

4oz ground beef
4oz ground pork
4oz ground veal
6oz pork butt roast
3T Butter
Water

Weight: 179.8 Total loss: 6.6lbs.

Calories 1338 Fat 103g (71%) Protein 94g (29%) Carbs 0
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Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:49 am Post subject:

Morning of Day 13

Weight 180.6 Sad

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Dean · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject:

Karen,

You've lost weight over the last two weeks, and you cannot call these recent measurements a stall. If you weigh the same in another week or two, then you can. See what I mean? Weight fluctuates from day to day, sometimes a lot. It's mostly due to water retention. Don't trip on it. Just keep doing what you're doing and see if your weight goes down by a pound or two over the next week or so. That's my advice. Cool

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Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject:

I get what you're saying, Dean. But... This is the same pattern I've seen over and over the last 5 months. 7-10 days of losing (I know it's mostly water, but not all) followed by indefinite up and down with the same 5 lbs until I do something. So I can call it a stall now, or wait a week or two and call it a stall then. Or wait a month and call it a stall then. What's the difference?
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Dean · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject:

Were you always just fatty meat and water during these previous periods?
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When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!

y0u · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:

Karen, I looked at how many calories you have been eating. Could it be that your not eating enough? Also, you might want to try eating 80% fat. It forces you to eat less protein. Just a suggestion. These things worked for me...tho I am stalled again now too.. Confused

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Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject:

Karen G · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:43 am Post subject:

3/11/09 Day 13

6oz pork butt roast
10oz ground beef
2T butter
water

Weight 180.6 Calories 1240 Fat 99g (73%) Protein 82g (27%) Carbs 0

Forgot to list exercise yesterday - 40 minutes of weights and intervals.

Exercise today - 75 min yoga
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Dean · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:01 am Post subject:

Karen,

Some questions for ya.

How much are you needing to lose?

Have you ever had success on losing, and if so, how did you do it? What did you eat?

What was your longest spell of losing/maintaining and being relatively craving free?

Why are you wanting to do such strict ZCarnivore eating?

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!