The Magic Bus Trip

Loops · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:

hey dog

coconut stuff does me in completely I've noticed. Gives me bloat, stomach ache and makes me ridiculously hungry. Nothing else VLC does that to me. found that out doing another dairy-free stint.

Hope the 'thing' in your intestines is not an alien or something nasty. An instestinal alien would not be pleasant I would think.

surfergirl · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject:

Loops · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject:

hey -

for me no - I'm ok with dessicated coconut - but I don't eat it anymore as without cream, cocoa and AS it is disgusting. But coconut milk gives me bloat and makes me hungry. The oil just makes me hyper for about a minute then it's all over.

kateryna · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject:

I can handle regular organic coconut oil but if it's virgin or extra virgin I can't tolerate it. The regular stuff doesn't have any smell.

And I don't use a lot just for cooking.
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runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:10 am Post subject:

Loops

Good post by Peter on coconut oil (or MCTs):
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspo...cal-insulin-restisance-guess.html

MCTs (in rats anyway) undoubtedly spike both insulin and ketones, but usually result in normoglycaemia (insulin resistance?). But this is in a carbohydrate fed, glycogen replete rat. If you are initially glycogen depleted the shift to replete glycogen under ketones from MCTs might just leave you hypoing.

So it seems it's better to get rid of coconut oil if you don't overeat on protein or carbs.
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runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:16 am Post subject:

I was busy so I was eating just everything without any pattern.
Now I've got more free time for a while so maybe I will try something new.
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runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:26 am Post subject:

Loops,

Are you dairy free again?
If so what's the difference?
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runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject:

http://www.ethiopianmillennium.com/KITFO.html

I'm thinking about eating raw meat + dairy again.
It seems like a good combo taste wise and energy wise. Plus booze coffee and teas for enjoyment.

I would like to eat coconut products but I'm still not sure if they make any difference for us animal fat eaters.
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Loops · Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject:

hey dog -

well I try to go dairy free every now and then but it usually backfires due to lack of energy - lack of decent replacements. I've pretty much had enough of trying right now. I warm up considerably after having dairy which doesn't happen with other fats. In fact I haven't really noticed any benefit from doing a more paleo approach - apart from I am tired and dragging after about 4 days. Of course that might be 'withdrawal' but I'm not convinced - I noticed the same thing 6 years back when I tried doing Atkins Induction - I was tired and craving 'something' in the afternoons. I was not doing any dairy at that time. I was thin but I couldn't keep up the diet - using too much olive oil, too much protein probably etc.

I tried using tallow as my chief fat and eh, it's not so great for the warmth thing for me. I usually end up overeating protein without dairy fats. For whatever reasons, dairy fat shuts off my appetite - no other type of fat seems to do this. Then again....could be the 'addiction' - who knows? Maybe if I went 2 weeks without I'd feel differently.

I know you do well with dairy - did you notice any difference without it - I think you went some time without right?

I'm edging back to Kwas again - it always happens.

runningdog · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:39 am Post subject:

It's hard to tell. I'm good in finding ways to speed me up (to put it mildly) so I'm not quit sure what's the difference without dairy.
It definitely feels different when I eat dairy.

BTW I didn't have too much time to exercise lately. And my BW is the same so it seems that dairy, wine, vodka, commercial meats (those dirty hotdogs), even some chips when eating out doesn't seem to bother me even without exercising. I noticed that my appetite is lower at the moment and when I follow it I feel fine.

Many parents of epileptic children swears that dairy fats control epilepsy way better than MCTs.

From the other hand who cares if it's the addiction or not if it controls your hunger.
Real problems with addictions start when you want more and more and more and you are ready to kill or give a blow job for next dose.

So relax.

I may try dairy free diet next month so we'll see. I eat dairy daily for years so if it's addicting I'm a real junkie.
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Dean · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:16 am Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:43 am Post subject:

This guy is a real puzzle. Kind of fun to watch but it makes you think.

http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=766&page=113

He seems to do everything right but feels miserable after 10 months or more on nothing but meat and water.

Since I don't believe in detox, weak constitution, candida bullshit, etc he must be doing something very wrong or just wrong.

And those who asked him to wait it out are just retarded.
I wish him well anyway but if he wants to get well he needs to find some courage to experiment.
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jeff · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject:

Poor guy.
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surfergirl · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

I hope he feels better soon. I can't help but think he has some hidden allergy along with his bowel problems. He should post food and beverages for some help from someone who may know. Or start cutting things out one by one.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:11 am Post subject:

Surfgirl,

To be honest I think he's in perfect health, no candida, no allergies, no detox crap. He's eating habits (not eating meat only) just made him suffer and hopefully he'll learn one day.

Anyway, I'm back to more controlled eating just to find out if I can pimp my body a little bit with food choices. If not I'm back to dairy based mixed booze rich diet for good.
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Miriam · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:26 am Post subject:

Yesterday I stepped on one of those body fat scales. 6.1% body fat.
Of course it lies since I'm not that low but I'm below 10% for sure.
But it makes me think.

I eat dairy, drink booze, eat hot dogs, bacon, drink gallons of coffee etc. almost daily. Once in a while I eat fries, or other sides when eating out.
The only rule I follow is not to feel stuffed with food since I don't really like the feeling. That's it. Of course sometimes I overeat but most of the time I don't. And it works. I don't feel deprived but sometimes I like this slight hunger feeling. It makes you very productive. So if I've got something really important to do I don't eat.
But most of the time I'm a happy person eating and drinking whatever I like.

But I eat high fat. Fat is really what it's all about. Not meat, not protein, not carb avoidance. It's all about fat.

I may do a full medical check one day just to find out if it works as good as it feels like.

But at this point I don't really see a point to pretend I'm a fur traded and live on pemmican only or some other shit.
Reading forums like zerocarbage doesn't convince me that meat only brings any real benefits.

If I'm going to live past 100 I will live past hundred regardless of strictness of my diet. If I'm going to die before 50 or 40 I will make sure to die as a happy person.
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MetalMama · Location: GA Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 564 Gender: Female

That's an incredible body fat percentage for someone who is rather lax about diet - good for you!

Although I agree with you about high fat being key - I also think it MUST go hand in hand with carb avoidance. Perhaps that changes some when you get to a peak level and your body heals.

Definitely agree about living happy - if you're not happy...what's the point.

kateryna · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject:

Yep happiness is the key and I'm perfectly happy eating the way I am now - carnivore with coffee and cream. I'm eating the foods I love like chicken livers, bacon, pork, eggs. What could be better.

But it's a double whammy because I'm also very happy in every other aspect of my life. I now want to live forever I feel so good.
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runningdog · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:23 pm Post subject:

runningdog....I am happy for the first time in years on this WOL. We all have our vices. That makes life interesting and enjoyable.

I'm glad your body fat is low!

Do ya' think I can get down to that, do I even want to?
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y0u · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject:

oh...I do not want to be one of those women...ick.
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runningdog · Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:53 am Post subject:

You can learn something good about coffee everyday:
http://www.warriorfx.com/2008/03/...ces-testosterone-during-exercise/
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jeff · Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject:

i always enjoy reading about the benefits of drinking coffee!! Toast

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kateryna · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:55 am Post subject:

I'm trying to decrease my testosterone since I don't produce estrogen anymore but i'm not giving up coffee Grin

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runningdog · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:10 am Post subject:

Ok I just want to test if I feel good due to eating non meat stuff (dairy, eggs, coconut, coffee, booze, etc) or I just feel good because I feel good.

So I'm going to eat meat and water only for at least a month.
Despite wild claims of some internet gurus one month is a maximum period of adaptation to meat only diet as described by Stefansson (for sick people so for a healthy ones it should be even shorter).
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runningdog · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:

So if Stefansson is correct 4 days on meat and water should make me feel pain free and fine and cure any detox from dairy, coffee, booze whatever and after a month I should ba able to do some heroic stuff.
So If he's right all this waiting 6 months for miracles to happen is a pure bullshit and all those people who still feel off after months on meat only are just pure lunatics.
But if I feel worse after a month on meat only it means that :
a) something else in my current diet is making me feel good
or
b) my body needs more time to adjust so Stefansson is wrong
or
c) I'm broken and I should kill myself in some pleasent way
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kateryna · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject:

I am waiting with baited breath to read the outcome LOL

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jeff · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:51 pm Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject:

This one of your more exciting experiments! May I ask what or where are you not feeling good?

If I drink caffeine in coffee my neck hurts, if I eat bread or breading I come down with a cold. If I eat meat only, I have lots of energy.

Are you having pain brought on with certain foods?
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runningdog · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject:

Thanks. This time I'm going to report daily. 30 days on nothing but meat and water. So real rehab.

I just want to see if I'm missing something with my current diet or not. That's all. And I want to know why many people make meat only so fucking complicated. It should be idiot proof. If it's the ultimate diet it should make you feel great even if you don't want to.

Surfergirl
I do have some pain here and there but my body is slightly abused so I just don't pay that much attention.
If I'm pain free within 30 days I will be a strong believer in meat only.
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runningdog · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject:

Stefansson wrote:
On this diet all pain disappeared from every joint within four days and the gloom was replaced by optimism. Inside a week both men said that they had no realization of being ill as long as they lay still in bed. In two weeks they were able to begin traveling, at first riding on the sledges and walking alternately. At the end of a month they felt as if they had never been ill. No signs of the scurvy remained except that the gums, which had receded from the teeth, only partly regained their position.

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surfergirl · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject:

kateryna · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:56 am Post subject:

I've lost all pain in all my joints just by going vlc and carnivore and my arthritis was really bad. You don't have to do just beef and water as far as I'm concerned. I can race up the stairs now.
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surfergirl · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:20 am Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

in case somebody looks for reasons not to stop drinking while doing VLC or ZC:
http://www.targetedbodysystems.co...ol-provides-many-health-benefits/
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jeff · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject:

kateryna · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject:

Jeff you mean I have to start drinking alcohol? I read Malcolm's book but lent it out and now it's gone somewhere.

OMG the torture just thinkig about it. I don't think I could force it down Grin

Seriously I haven't found a red wine I liked except Dubonnet but that's really sweet, bleecchh. I use fish oil to keep my blood thinner.
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jeff · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject:

runningdog · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

I'm about to die right now,

Removing coffee, dairy, booze, painkillers (oops), salt in one go is maybe not that good idea. The good news is that I plan to reintoduce them as soon as I figure out with that meat and water stuff what's going on with my body. Me on meat and water is a baseline, introducing other stuff can make me better or worse. Or dead.

I felt like having a heart attack with my left arm and hand going numb and my heart palpitating but it gets better now.
I don't care about headaches I just don't want my heart to go too crazy from being free from some stuff which makes it go faster or slower or both.

Good God I'm not addicted to anything right now. It could be fatal.

I had some ground turkey and butter today. I need to finish butter before starting to buy any fattier meats.

I'm drinking warm water right now. What the fuck? Am I an old lady or what?

See you tomorrow
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surfergirl · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

y0u · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

I'm not very good at having just one glass...cause I like it a lot. Grin

and that's where the health benefits end..and I just stall...and crave more the next day.

I'm going back to wine once or twice a month.
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surfergirl · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:08 am Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:34 am Post subject:

surfergirl · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:07 am Post subject:

ok Jeff...I will

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