Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject:
So let's throw all the studies out of the window. Coffee, coconut, whatever.
Let's forget about fur traders, pemmican maniacs, raw food and clay eaters, ratios, calculations, starvation mode, casein, insulin, etc.
I know everything (or even more) about the diet. Now I have to forget about it for a while.
All I really need at this point is is to be good at biking, running, swimming while looking good and having the energy for my lifestyle.
So back to basic rules:
1. Hunger means I need to eat
2. Humans need protein and fat and water to be alive. That's it.
3. If something makes me feel and look good I eat it, if it doesn't I avoid it.
So no preferences, no prejudieces.
So I will stop logging my food intake for a while just to reset my mind.
I will concentrate more on my training and progress. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
So both milk fat and to my surprise milk proteins (even hated so much casein) seems to have anticancer properties.
Of course all the conspiracy theory freaks will scream that studies are done on rats and it's probably sponsored by dairy industry, etc
But read and decide for yourself. I know that I keep dairy in my menu. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:20 am Post subject:
runningdog wrote:
According to him coffee is an adaptogen and powerfull antioxidant and protects you from almost anything.
Add some coconut oil to your diet while drinking lots of coffee and you are almost immortal and you can do anything you want.
Drugs, unprotected sex, working out like a madman or actually being a madman, whatever. You are safe. No liver demage, no AIDS, no herpes.
Sign me up!
_________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject:
So Irish coffee sans sugar seems like real nectar of the Gods.
_________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject:
BTW most of carnivorous populations were/are very prone to alcoholism. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject:
Update:
I feel good, even slightly too good so I need to keep eye on myslef to stay out of trouble.
Mixture of those opiates in dairy, poisons in cooked meats and being high from exercising is really dangerous.
Reasonable people should definitely stick to raw meat only and filtered water. And stay in bad. And die in perfect health. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject:
I'll have a drink in their honor!
_________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1504 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject:
Ok..so I am trying to figure out how to drink a lot of booze and coffee with coconut oil and have a lot of unprotected sex while eating raw meat in bed and not fall off my bike which I still need to ride 100 miles a week or more.
Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5143 Born: 3 January 2010 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject:
Ride your bike to my place. I got a head full of ideas.
_________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1504 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject:
Dean..I have 1/2 a mind to ride my bike to your place and peek under your cloak.. but I have to work tonight.. _________________ Flap-a-doodle-kick-a-poodle-kitty-kitty-cow-cow ~ Fat Freddy's Cat
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject:
After reading Stone Age Diet by Voegtlin (great book) I decided to make one modification to my diet: only soured milk dairy products.
So I eat meats, eggs and dairy plus some minor stuff at the moment .
I drink coffee, teas, water.
I may get rid of the minor stuff part to see if it makes any difference and include some dairy products like yoghurt.
I feel good. No weight change. I wonder how much I need to eat to get back to my old 200 lbs. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject:
Maybe Mongols were on something eating several pounds of meat in one meal. Maybe there is no other way to stay big on VLC/ZC diet.
I will try to retrain my body to eat a lot again.
The only thing I risk is wasting shitloads money on food and aging a little faster. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject:
And I will get rid of coconut oil for a while to see if it makes any difference. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject:
Overthinking part II
So I thought that before trying to gain weight it's good to find out how much I really need to eat to maintain my current weight.
VLC/ZC is misleading since you can overeat for a while without any noticeable body weight changes.
So my plan is to get very lean and than experiment with adding stuff back and see if it makes fat layers growing.
Autumn is comming so fattening for winter effect should make it even harder. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject:
Yes, muscle and it's rather hard at the moment without the feeling of being stuffed with food. And I don't like that feeling.
Maybe rare to raw meat will do the trick. Or raw eggs. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6067 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:59 pm Post subject:
Are you lifting weights? To put on muscle, lift heavy weights, low reps. To put on muscle you will need to increase calories, but an increase in appetite should come with the weight lifting. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject:
And this article leads me to what I used to do before: work train and play on empty stomach (or on very little food), eat only when you can rest afterwards.
So warrior diet or whatever.
Finally something I like.
So let's do it. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1504 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject:
I ate 80/20 for 3 or 4 months..not 4000 calories but often 2500..got really high from it...but didn't lose much weight but I did lose some...and lots of inches. Wasn't really exercising though.
I always exercise on an empty stomach..eat a nice meal the night before...ride and lift in the am..eat a meal in the afternoon before work. _________________ Flap-a-doodle-kick-a-poodle-kitty-kitty-cow-cow ~ Fat Freddy's Cat
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:13 am Post subject:
That's what the fat burning index theory is about.
High fat meals prevent body from releasing insulin (or better to say excessive insulin) so calories don't matter.
If this theory is true it is easier to gain fat on 30/70 compared to 20/80.
But as I recall from Lex experiment he gained fat on 20/80. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:51 am Post subject:
Great quote from Stone Age Diet:
"This remarkable metabolic mechanism of carnivorous
animals ann man shows how he can be dietetically profligate
when food IS abundant, yet is able to keep in metabolic balance
with no more food than a modest amount of meat and
fat when the going gets rough.
It explains why the low carbohydrate diet is most effective
in weight reduction and why the human can continue to
work, play, think clearly, fight, and make love, even though
he has been hungry for a week. Were man not possessed of
this mechanism,and if he got weak when he became hungry,
he would ineed be a fragile specimen, absolutely dependent
upon a contmuous food supply and totally inadequate to survive
even the first generation, let alone a million or more
years" _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:56 am Post subject:
That's why I believe that for those who are obese the best way to get fit and healthy again is to fast for a while maybe with some protein intake.
So first get lean and fit and when you are there eat all the meat fat and other LC foods you want, not the other around. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:58 am Post subject:
Another one:
"It is not unusual for an Ihalmiut to consume fifteen pounds of meat in a single day."
Now we are talking. 15 pounds of meat.
Maybe all of us are just undernourished.
BTW I've put a dog of my friend on all meat diet a while ago. She misunderstood me slightly and instead of 2 pounds she fed him like 4-5 pounds of raw meat a day. He's lean and mean. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6067 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:55 am Post subject:
I almost always train on an empty stomach. it's normal for me to train 16-18 hours after my last meal. It seems to work best for me. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Midwest USA Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 839 Born: 15 July 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject:
jeff wrote:
I almost always train on an empty stomach. it's normal for me to train 16-18 hours after my last meal. It seems to work best for me.
I also prefer training on an empty stomach. With the heavy lifting, or on leg training day it really helps me avoid feelings of nausea. Jeff, thanks for posting that journal from Viking Dan. OH MY... it is like muscle porn.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject:
So to sum it up:
Ihalmiut guys eat up to 15 pounds of meat a day, some African tribes drink milk by gallons daily, Mongols eat the whole animal during a night feast, even small wolves eat 10+ pounds of meat in one meal.
And I average 2-4 pounds of chow a day and I wonder why I weight less than 160 lbs.
Anybody can see any explanation?
So maybe it's time to forget about raw, cooked stuff and just think about it again when I will be averaging 6-8+ pounds of food a day.
BTW anybody who starts to wonder about my mental health reading my log is about right.
I talk to myslef I talk to dogs I talk to horses I talk to strangers in the elevatators or in this case write someting over net. Or sometimes I just think out loud. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1504 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:
When the raw dead meat starts to talk back to you I would worry..until then..don't. _________________ Flap-a-doodle-kick-a-poodle-kitty-kitty-cow-cow ~ Fat Freddy's Cat
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:01 am Post subject:
Eating big continued.
What strikes me is that most of us on low/zero carb eat less (volumewise) compared to carb based diet while most of those native carnivore cultures ate shitloads of zero/low carb foods. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
So overexercising and eating once a day makes you high.
They have it wrong about second wind bullshit as always and Mr. Kanarek probably never spend a day in his life doing what those happy rats were doing. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:40 am Post subject:
But it makes me wonder about this one hour. It's what CAD diet is all about.
So maybe huge quickly eaten meal is the solution to staying relatively high and adding some muscle mass. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:03 am Post subject:
For those who think that fresh meat is the only way to prevent scurvy (whatever scurvy really is since nobody knows) or to feel good on ZC/VLC diet
Guy eating nothing but eggs, butter and milk his whole life:
After Stefansson had told Lord Strathcona what he had learned from the Eskimos, His Lordship told Stefansson that years ago in Canada he had begun a regimen all his own. He told how he had begun to wonder why, since he liked some things better than others, he should bother to eat something different on one day when he had liked what he had eaten the previous day better. 'This led', recounts Stefansson, 'to his questioning what he really did like and, when he got the answer, eating nothing else — eggs, milk, and butter.'
BTW it's with line of Rheo Blair reccomendiations and his claims that eggs/diary is better for bodybuilders than meat.
Not that I'm against meat or something but I just hate stupid dogmas. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
What I didn't know is that they had a rule not to mix meat and dairy together in any meal. Sounds familiar? Pretty Kosher. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject:
OK so all those ramblings and readings led me to conclusion that for next 30 days I will be eating nothing but raw minced beef with butter and some spices and maybe yolks to taste.
If it makes any difference to the way I feel and look I will consider eating this mixture for next 3 months. If not I'll try something else for next month. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:30 am Post subject:
I have noticed something:
When I keep protein low (below 100 gr a day) my BW is close to 156 lbs. When I eat as much protein as I like (probably 300g+ a day) my BW goes up to 162-164 lbs and stays there. It's not bloating so it means that increased protein intake do saturate my body with something.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing it just happens. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:15 pm Post subject:
Hard to tell.
I may try to find out how much protein is my upper limit not to gain those few pounds. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: running Joined: 23 Jul 2009 Posts: 204 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:01 am Post subject:
surfergirl wrote:
hey Runningdog,
How is it going? How much protein/fat are you at now?
No idea but I abandoned the idea of getting bigger by overeating. Fuck it.
So I don't eat that much most of the time and from time to time I eat a lot. _________________ "Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - Hunter Thompson.
Location: Pacific Northwest Joined: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 1504 Born: 2 December 2009 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject:
Good luck on your horny coconut diet...you'll be humping palm trees in no time.. _________________ Flap-a-doodle-kick-a-poodle-kitty-kitty-cow-cow ~ Fat Freddy's Cat
Location: Laguna Beach, California Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 535 Born: 23 August 1967 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject:
runningdog wrote:
surfergirl wrote:
hey Runningdog,
How is it going? How much protein/fat are you at now?
No idea but I abandoned the idea of getting bigger by overeating. Fuck it.
So I don't eat that much most of the time and from time to time I eat a lot.
I think I may be a little behind but why were you trying to get bigger? Bigger as in all over weight gain or just your arm and leg muscles as in weight training style bigger?
Are you mainly underweight and sometimes it goes up a little if you eat dairy or more protein? What did you conclude after your experiment- what was the component that added weight- protein, fat, dairy, maybe wine? or do you eschew all dairy? I know I should but don't.
Interested to know.
Violeta _________________ Live your life with Dignity- Dr House - First Season
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