Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject:
Alex wrote:
jeff wrote:
Maybe you can borrow Heather's whip.
And why exactly would I want to do you any favors?
Maybe I should ask Heather for assistance, since BJ isn't here yet .
Awwww, c'mon. It's the holiday season. Heather can definitely give you some pointers on how to best punish me. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 21 was 3807 calories and 83% fat. I had a little salmon today, but other than that it was all the normal stuff. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Jeff, I see that you got to 85% fat on some days and needed to eat extra cream and butter, what is your normal percentage of cals from fat when not doing experiments? I sometimes find hard hitting 70% which is optimal, I think.
Given that you pretty much proved AC wrong do you plan to go off ZC for Christmas or you'll stick to the end of four weeks?
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:01 am Post subject:
Adapaz wrote:
Jeff, I see that you got to 85% fat on some days and needed to eat extra cream and butter, what is your normal percentage of cals from fat when not doing experiments? I sometimes find hard hitting 70% which is optimal, I think.
Given that you pretty much proved AC wrong do you plan to go off ZC for Christmas or you'll stick to the end of four weeks?
Yeah, I have a hard time getting above about 65% fat with just normal eating. I don't plan on going off plan for Xmas, but hey, I'm human. We'll see. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 22 was 2849 calories and 81% fat. My lowest calorie day, but still a good 600 extra. Typical foods. I had 14 ounces of the beef tenderloin that I got from the Pig. Yum. I slice them nice and thick so that almost all of it is raw after searing the outside. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Back of the Bus Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5546 Born: 3 January 2011 Gender: Male
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject:
Kim wrote:
Cat wrote:
I do IF as well, and the combination (probably from all the ketones) gets me really high. Better than any drug, that's for sure.
How do you do IF for yourself? Do you eat 2 meals just later in the day?
Kim
Lately, I've just been eating one, and drinking coffee with half & half, so that might be considered two. There is quite a bit of time in between this consumption, which is my IFing. I definitely never graze or snack anymore. Haven't for some time now, and I really notice the difference in the way I feel. There comes a point during the day, after I've gone a long time without food, that I get this real super good feeling. I really think it's ketones in my brain, or some type of hormonal cascade that kicks in the endorphins just right. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!
I may try that someday. I eat 2 meals without snacks right now. At noon and then when I get home from work. I am not particularly hungry during the day and have gotten used to not eating all morning. I don't drink coffee either. Sometimes I feel like I am eating too much at meals just for the sake of eating, not from hunger.
Getting caught up here for the past couple of days. Days 23 and 24 were both right around 3300 calories, 76% and 83% fat respectively. I had 3 MGD Litghts on the 23rd, and way too much sodium both days.
I weighed myself yesterday morning. 170 Up one pound. To this point I have consumed about 45,000 excess calories. I should be up almost 13 pounds. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 25 was 3385 calories and 82% fat. Butter, eggs, beef tenderloin, sausage, cream and cheese. Only 5 days to go!!!! Yippeeeee!!!!! _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject:
Jessica wrote:
You know that four weeks is only 28 days??
But you're going to be a trooper and go 30???
You da man!!!
Jessica
I did consider doing only 4 weeks, but the original idea was for 30 days. So that's what I'm going with. We run a tight metabolic ward here on the Bus. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:
Jessica wrote:
Ah!
Well i'm here, rooting for you all the way!!!
What is the plan when the 30 days are up?
You're going to eat a little less fat, and calories are going to be lower?
Sorry if you already mentioned it.
I'll just return to my normal eating. Around 2500-2800 calories per day. And yes, alot less fat! Since that is where all my extra calories have been coming from. And exercise!! I'll be back on the treadmill and on my way to the beach. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Boxing Day was 3143 calories and 78% fat. I couldn't resist having a couple of glasses of pinot noir along with my thick, juicy, rare prime rib.
For the last few days I'm thinking of cutting my calories way back. Maybe just at, or slightly above my 2200 baseline. I'm thinking maybe my body might need a few days to futile cycle out some of the excess energy. I've also had alot of salt lately......bacon, eggs, sausage, ham. So I'm going to try to avoid those foods and drink alot of water in the next few days. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 285 Born: 10 May 1975 Gender: Female
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject:
Just marking my place. You're really making me want to try this. But reading your menus makes me feel full! _________________ www.fearandloathinginthekitchen.com
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject:
Tracy wrote:
Just marking my place. You're really making me want to try this. But reading your menus makes me feel full!
You have no idea!!! I could not do it without eating butter and drinking heavy whipping cream. There is no way I could eat 4000 calories worht of meat. Now carbs on the other hand....... _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 27 was 2682 calories and 70% fat. The main difference was no heavy whipping cream. I never thought I'd see the day when 70% fat seemed low. I did have more sodium than I wanted because I ate the toppings off 2 slices of pepperoni pizza. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Southern California Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 692 Born: 29 January 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:
I still have to get an oven proof skillet so I can try Cat's pizza recipe. It sounds so good, I wish someone would come over here and make it for me! I guess I'll eat some chicken thighs, too tired to even think about cooking...thank goodness for microwaves. _________________ Bobi
Location: Beautiful British Columbia Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 1759 Born: 12 October 2010 Gender: Female
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:19 am Post subject:
Bobi wrote:
I still have to get an oven proof skillet so I can try Cat's pizza recipe. It sounds so good, I wish someone would come over here and make it for me! I guess I'll eat some chicken thighs, too tired to even think about cooking...thank goodness for microwaves.
Maybe I should post this in the recipe thread but is it a cast iron type? Would that work? _________________ Heather
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:
Heather wrote:
Bobi wrote:
I still have to get an oven proof skillet so I can try Cat's pizza recipe. It sounds so good, I wish someone would come over here and make it for me! I guess I'll eat some chicken thighs, too tired to even think about cooking...thank goodness for microwaves.
Maybe I should post this in the recipe thread but is it a cast iron type? Would that work?
I have used my cast iron skillet in the oven. Not with this recipe, but I'm sure it would work fine. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 28 was 2275 calories and 75% fat. Eggs, country style pork ribs and prime rib. That's it. Well, and coffee of course. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 29 was 2237 calories and 71% fat. boneless country style pork ribs, fried eggs, shrimp and butter. I had a full pound of shrimp. Since these things are practically fat free, they only had about 400 calories......which is where the butter comes in. I melted 5 Tbs. of butter and added some garlic and poured it over the shrimp. Yummmm. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:36 am Post subject:
Red wrote:
So Jeff, why are you reducing calories before the experiment is over, again? I can't remember.
2 reasons: 1. I am really sick of eating that much.
2. To give my body a chance to futile cycle out any excess
energy.
Does potential excess energy weight anything? I have no idea. I seems like it should, but that is the kind of thing that is beyond my knowledge. At any rate, I still will have overeaten enough so that I should have gained at least 13 pounds. It's not like I've reduced my calories below my energy needs. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Day 30 was 2998 calories and 74% fat. Sausage, cheese, ribeye steak, 2 glasses of chardonnay and 1 MGD Light.
Well, there we have it. During the past 30 days I have overconsumed 48659 calories. At 2200 calories per day times 30 days, that's 66,000 calories that my body would have required. I actually consumed 114,659 calories. That's a difference of 48,659 calories. 48,659 divided by 3,500 is 13.9. So, I should have gained 13.9 pounds, or thereabouts.
Tomorrow we will see the final results. For those interested, I drank about 4 gallons of heavy whipping cream. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:22 am Post subject:
Remember Morgan Spurlock and Supersize me? I was thinking about that the other day. Wondering how many calories he ate and how much he gained compared to what I did.
He was 32 years old, 6'2" and weighed 185. This would put his daily energy needs at about 2400. It's not entirely clear, but his average daily calories seemed to average around 5,000. So, he would have overate by about 2600 calories per day. This means he would have consumed 78,000 excess calories. 78,000 divided by 3500 equals just over 22. So, by the calorie theory he should have gained about 22 pounds. How much did he gain? 24.5 pounds. So it worked out just about right.
Just as a side note, I cannot imagine eating only protein and fat and averaging 5000 calories a day for a month. That would be about the equivalent of eating 4-5 pounds of meat every day. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:
Jessica wrote:
Whew!!!
Congrats on finishing!!!
I think the guy on Supersize Me came down with some health issues as well, right? I never saw the movie, just read about it.
Oh, and ummmm.... personal question, but how were your... ummm... bathroom trips?
More often, solid, ????
Just curious!
Eating lots of meat and fat without vegetation never seemed to affect me badly, even though the average person thinks you need fiber.
Again, good job Jeff!!!
My bathroom trips were really no different from before. Lack of fiber certainly doesn't hurt me any. Interesting to note though, that I didn't seem to "go" any more than usual. One might think that with all the excess calories there would be alot more waste. Not true. Which I think just endorses the idea that the excess calories are just futile cycled out. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject:
This morning I weigh 169 pounds. No change from 30 days ago. Poor AC. He'll be crushed. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: south central OR Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 184 Born: 3 October 1951 Gender: Female
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject:
thanks for doing the experiment for all of the lc'ers who argue the metabolic advantage. we have a link posted on another lc board and someone was wondering how many carbs you ate in a day. did you do a log? maybe if i go back to the beginning, i'll see it. do you have an idea?
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:
jem51 wrote:
thanks for doing the experiment for all of the lc'ers who argue the metabolic advantage. we have a link posted on another lc board and someone was wondering how many carbs you ate in a day. did you do a log? maybe if i go back to the beginning, i'll see it. do you have an idea?
How many carbs? That's a good question. Not that I didn't keep track, because I did. It's just that a couple of things in particular I'm not positive what the actual carb count is. I have seen varying information on coffee, for one. Fitday puts it at .7 grams per six ounce cup. Whereas CalorieKing puts coffee at 0 grams per 6 ounce cup.
Same thing goes for my heavy whipping cream. The label on the carton says 50 calories per Tbs, and that all 50 calories come from fat. But, I know that there is sometimes some rounding off that goes on with these things. If I were only using maybe a few Tbs per day I wouldn't worry about it. But I drank at least 2 cups of heavy whipping cream every day.
So, to actually try to answer the question, I'd say my carbs were either around 5 per day, or around 15 per day. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: Back of the Bus Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 5546 Born: 3 January 2011 Gender: Male
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject:
jeff wrote:
Red wrote:
I think we can safely put this issue to bed now.
Yes, but I'd still like to see Cat do it.
jeff wrote:
Tracy wrote:
Wow - congrats! You're a trooper. I think this is fascinating.
So when does Cat start??
Tracy, you're next right? Maybe you and Cat can do it together.
Red wrote:
I think we can safely put this issue to bed now.
What Red said.
Seriously, I may actually try this pretty soon. I want to lose a bit more fat first. Maybe I can go on Kimkins and do it.
In the last two months I have been eating loads of animal fat, probably more than 80%. I have been slowly losing weight during this time. I might use a lot of butter to get those calories up, as I am not too fond of drinking tons of cream. But, I will probably try this sometime. In the meantime, there's Rich, and now Tracy who are ready to jump right in. _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!
Location: Milton, Wisconsin, USA Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 6271 Born: 10 March 1960 Gender: Male
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject:
Carolyn wrote:
Jeff,
what do you think would have happened if you had eaten around 60 grams of carbs/day vs. 5-15 grams?
I just read the part about you on Jimmy Moore's blog. Cool!
Carolyn
I'll have to go check out Jimmy's place. Maybe I should hire an agent first?
Obviously at some carb level I would begin gaining weight with that many calories. I really don't know what that carb level is......and it is probably not the same for everybody. My hunch is that at 60g of carbs per day and 4000 calories, I would probably have gained a little. It would seem to me that the higher the calories, the less leeway you would have with carbs. _________________ Eat, Drink and Be Merry, For Tomorrow We'll Die
Location: south central OR Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 184 Born: 3 October 1951 Gender: Female
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:
okay, so if spurlock didn't eat 5k calories a day does that mean he needed way less on that kind of diet to lose weight. i would think that's the case anyway. if you can eat 3k calories/day on mcd's and not gain weight, you are doing really well. even teenagers, who should still have the benefit of a rapid metabolism, can't do it!!
Spurlock may have eaten 5000 calories/day but it wasn't just with the food from Mcdonalds according to this video. To get to 5000 calories he had to have eaten more food at home. Apparently, his food log is not available anywhere. Gaining lots of weight in one month makes for a more dramatic and interesting movie. _________________ Carolyn
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