The Magic Bus Trip

Karen · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

Alrighty...here is my 2 week weigh in:

start weight: 284.4 lbs
week 1 weigh: 277.4 lbs
week 2 weigh: 276.8 lbs

not barely half a lb loss this week...better than a gain is suppose. I am more determined now than ever to stick with low carb..only i have to get more strict about a few things that i was lacking in. For one..no more low carb ice cream and no more fruit...and limits on cheese and cream andveggies. I will not let this get me down. I have completed 2 wks on low carb and i feel better and am down 7 1/2 lbs in two weeks. i wish it was more..but hey..theres always this week. (oh..did i mention its TOM time right now and it COULD be affecting my weight loss this week from water gain and bloating...so i still have hope! We shall see what next week brings.

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~mina~ · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject:

Karen · Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:54 am Post subject:

Alritey i think i did much better with my food yesterday and i weighed myself this morning and was down a little more to
276.4 lbs

Yesterdays Food Log

24 ozs Coffee
4 TB cream
4 Fried eggs with CO and Butter
2 Chicken Leggs with Buffalo hot sauce
2 TB Bleu Cheese Dressing
2 - 6 oz Hamburger Patties (12 ozs meat)
1 TB mayo
2 ozs Provolone cheese
2 ozs cheddar cheese
3 ozs mushrooms
1 slice tomatoe
3 TB butter
1 HB egg
1 oz Roast Beef

40 ozs water
4 ozs crystal lite lemonade
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Karen · Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject:

My fitday for yesterdays food was

Calories 2611
Fat 206g 73%
Protein 153g 24%
Carb 16g 3%

what i find interesting is that i ate when i was hungry, stuck within Atkins Induction levels (except for 1 extra TB cream), didn't try to push the fat or worry about calories. When i was pushing the fat last week the fat was between 74-79%...yet naturally eating what i wanted it was almost as high at 73%. When pushing the fat my cals last week were 2800-2900, but eating naturally they were 2611.

I am going to fitday again today and see how it turns out.
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Karen · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject:

Week 3 weigh in

273.4 lbs

loss this week is
3.4 lbs
Happy

total loss over 3 weeks = 11 lbs.
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jeff · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject:

Karen, that is great! Keep it up.
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Dean · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

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Heather L · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject:

Excellent!!!! Congrats

Karen · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

thanks Dean, Heather and Jeff!

Still hanging in there..and trying to figure out what works best!
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Heather · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject:

Sounds like it is working, now just keep doing it until people accuse you of being anorexic.... Yup

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Bobi · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

~mina~ · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject:

good job karen, keep it up Yup

Heather · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject:

~mina~ · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

~mina~ · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject:

oh yeah...

How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Two, one to change it and one to check for animal ingredients

Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

What does a vegan zombie eat?
GggrrrrRRAAAIIIiiinnNNnnsSs!

that last one is for Dean LOL

Karen · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

i am back again...hanging my head in shame

spent the last 12 days on stupid Jenny craig~
lost 9 lbs
starved everyday eating 1700 cals of low fat food
wasted a ton of money
learned a lesson

back to low carbing as of this morning LOL

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Heather L · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:

Yep, life is full of learning our lessons. Glad to see you back.

I hope is goes great for you as you restart. Sunny

Karen · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:05 am Post subject:

thanks heather! Sunny

i gotta share..

to celebrate my return to low carb..i went to the butcher today and got my hubby and myself each a 12 oz Ribeye...we ate them for dinner...that was the BEST darn fatty yummy steak i think i ever had...after 2 weeks of crappy lowfat rabbit food...it was like HEAVEN!!! ahhhhh! Today has gone great...and the funny thing is ....all i want is FAT..he he. Its been a ZCarnivore day for me baby! hehe...the thought of veggies with my dinner was like Puke

i ate So many stinkin salads, veggies and fruit the last two weeks i wanna puke.. Yup

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Heather L · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:17 am Post subject:

Karen-- Ooooh, Ribeye. What's not to love about that?

What a great way to get things started!!

Karen · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject:

Thursday has always been my official weigh in day

weight: 269 lbs

Today is day 2 on low carb.

Yesterdays food:

1.5 tsp coconut oil
12 ozs coffee
20 ozs decaf
4 scrambled eggs
1.5 ozs American cheese
1 tB butter
2 ozs swiss cheese
1 oz provolone cheese
3 ozs ham
1 hot dog
1/2 c half/half
12 ozs Ribeye steak
handful cashews
7 almonds
1 SIP v8 juice
1 oz cream cheese
1 HB egg
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jeff · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject:

Karen, glad you are back. Just curious....what made you leave low carb?
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Karen · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

HI JEFF
Thanks for the welcome back! I am not sure what made me stop low carb eating. It started with going into a binge and not being able to climb back. Then after a couple weeks of eating crap i decided i needed to continue my weight loss and the thought of getting back into ketosis and feeling crappy for 12 days didnt appeal to me. My friend was starting Jenny Craig and its a diet i had never tried so somehow i got the notion it would be a good diet for me since they allow my comfort foods like pizza, mashed potatoes and mac-n-cheese as well as chocolate cheesecake and brownies. lol. Too bad it was lowfat and 1700 cals with a ton of salad, veggies and fruits. The worst part about that diet is CONSTANTLY being HUNGRY! i hated the diet starting on day 3..but i stuck it out till day 12..hoping the hunger would go away..it never did. Then i remembered how well low carb works to get rid of cravings and how much healthier it is and how i NEVER go hungry. If i am hungry i eat. So....here i am. Just call it a mental lapse of insanity. The grass aint greener on the other side.
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Dean · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject:

Hey, Karen,

Good to see ya around. Cool

One can lose weight on ANY WOE. It's calories in, calories out. You just have to figure out how many calories you can do, based on how many you use, based on many factors related to your metabolism, including exercise. The difference between one WOE or another is really all about what will happen on a physiological level with the type of food you are consuming.

Humans are carnivores, because for millions of years we lived that way. We hunted animals and ate them. There was none of this gathering going on, until very recently in our evolution. Our genes are designed to handle animal foods primarily. The closer you can eat like that, the better health you will have. Easier said than done, of course. People have to figure out what additions to an animal food diet they need for supplemental purposes, or mental sanity. You will not hear any of this over at the Jenny Craig place. They just want to take your money, honey. Wink

With carnivorous eating, there are many degrees of health to it. That's where the debate begins here on the Bus. Your list of foods looks pretty carnivorous to me, but, it also contains a lot of processed type foods that may or may not be good for your overall health. If you are just trying to get back on the Bus, I completely understand why. I have resorted to this many times to get back on track, knowing I would clean things up later.

Question for ya. Right now, is your main focus just getting back to carnivorous eating, or is it to lose weight? If it is the former, how long till you start watching calories? Without creating a caloric deficit, you won't be able to lose weight consistently. This can easily be done by limiting the number of times per day you eat, or watching portion sizes, or other methods of reducing food intake. IF works pretty well, once you master it.

Just curious about all of this. It's great to see ya again, Karen.

Sunny

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Heather · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject:

Karen!
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Karen · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject:

Yesterdays food:

16 ozs coffee
5 TB half/half
4 fried eggs
1.5 ozs american cheese
1 TB butter
6 almonds
2 strawberries
Egg salad (2 HB eggs, 1.5 TB mayo)
1 large Link of Lithuanian Sausage
1 LC ice cream bar
12 ozs hamburger meat
1/c mild chiles
2 oz mushrooms
2 ozs mozz cheese
1/8 cup parmesan
1.5 tsp coconut oil
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Karen · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject:

Dean,
Right now I am just eating anything low carb and trying to get back into ketosis and the right frame of mind. Yesterday i came real close to stopping by Baskin Robbins for ice cream..instead i did the lesser of two evils and ate a low carb ice cream bar. My first week back..i dont even plan on fitdaying or counting calories or anything. Yes, i plan on cleaning things up as I go..but it will be a process for me i know. I also plan on fitdaying and eating 1800 cals per day after this first week. We'll see if i feel a need to cut it any lower and how well i lose at that level.
All i know is i need to lose this weight, and i need to be healthier. Back on Jan 1 i made a promise to myself that i will be at goal by my 40th birthday. I have 13.5 mos till that day!

Even though i have been on and off low carb 4 times now since Jan 1 and even tried other diets...all the TRYING has caused me to lose 32 lbs....so i can't give up. I had gotten back to my highest weight of 301 lbs and i am now at 269 lbs. i have another 109 lbs to go to get to goal and 13.5 mos to do it. (which leaves me a LITTLE lee-way for screwing up now and again).

This has been a LONG journey for me, and it still aint over. I started Atkins way back in oct 2002. i was at 301 lbs when i started. I lost 81 lbs and got down to 220 lbs by Oct 2003 and the found out i was pregnant. Since that time i have gone up and down and up and down. I have gained my weight back and even got back to the 301 lbs...but i never went over that weight...i hit that top weight in 2002 and didnt hit that top weight again till oct 2007. If i wasnt TRYING all these years..i would probable be 401 lbs by now. so i cant STOP trying! I may fall, i may fail, but i can't ever QUIT.

Someday i am gonna hit my goal weight of 160 lbs. I KNOW i will. And i know low carb eating is best for my body. And eating meat is IDEAL for me...and maybe someday ill make it there, OR maybe ill always eat a bit of veggies and fruit...its hard to say. I can only try.

Thanks for always being supportive through my trials...i couldnt do it without you and the rest of the Bus crew! Happy

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Karen · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject:

Karen · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject:

update the avatar.. this pic was taken this morning...

me at 269 lbs
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Heather L · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

"I may fall, i may fail, but i can't ever QUIT. "

Karen- I can really relate to this statement you made. Hang in there and just keep learning and conquering. Persistence overcomes resistance!

jeff · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

Dean · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject:

You know, jeff, first, I'm not sure where he ever said that, and second, I really wonder if it's more of a thing that on zero carb one would not need to count calories, but, they would still naturally reduce them. I have always suspected that while one cannot gain on zero carb because of futile cycles (thanks for that, Mike Eades), one won't tap into their own body fat if there is sufficient dietary fat to use for fuel, and, therefore, one must reduce their intake of dietary fat to lose body fat. The fact one can lose a lot at first is simply because their calorie requirements are so much higher. But, even Bear said that to lose below one's "fat-o-stat" they need to restrict calories.

Our ancestors didn't know about obesity, cuz how could they gain weight? On ZCarnivore eating, which is how they ate, one cannot gain any body fat, so, they never had to deal with this issue. Many people today are overweight because of overconsumption of food, while including carbs in their diet. It's so easy to over consume food when you are eating carbs and have unnatural blood sugar swings going on. People gain and gain, the more food they eat, because, when including carbs, one opens up the biochemical mechanism to store body fat.

Karen, I think at some point, you need to consider developing a WOE that will allow you to maintain your weight. If you don't like constantly counting calories (and who the hell does), then you might wanna consider eating more and more carnivorously, which is how you already eat. You can call it LC or whatever, but, your list of foods is mostly from the animal kingdom. That's where the real nutrition for good health is.

Stay strong and committed, Karen. You'll get there. It's a long strange trip for everyone, not just for you. You've got the right attitude. Never quit sums it up. Or, as we like to say around here, Never get off the Bus! Cool

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jeff · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject:

Here is a direct quote from Bear:

Nicola · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject:

jeff · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject:

Nicola.....what do you think of it?
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Dean · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject:

My thoughts are this.

Who cares about all the science behind this?

If you eat for good health, you'll be fine, and, you need to develop that WOE over time. So, during anyone's weight loss journey, they should be primarily concerned with good nutrition, which is NOT the Food Pyramid, thanks but no way in hell. Eating high animal fat and moderate animal protein, and naturally reducing calories, by doing things like IFing, exercise, etc., is part of developing good habits, as is eating real food.

I think if someone is overeating on a diet of high animal fat, they need to think about what else may be going on, like perhaps emotional eating, or whatever, and, we all do that at some point. Including some things like coffee may actually be beneficial if it keeps one from focusing so much on food. Drinking lots of water helps to create a feeling of fullness. There are lots of other tricks one can employ to reduce food intake.

I'm certain that in the long run, calorie (food) consumption should be reduced by anyone that overeats. Constant digestion is HARD on the body. Period. Our bodies benefit greatly from times of fasting, even short spells of it. That's just a physiological fact. Excess food intake is not necessary and is unhealthy. We are carnivores and should not be grazing. It is unnatural and unhealthy to do so. Snacking on stuff is a modern habit, and a bad one. We are not cows out in a field, filling our numerous stomachs. Let's get real.

Just my thoughts on the whole deal. As Heather would say, back to your regularly scheduled program. Wink

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Nicola · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject:

Nicola · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

Hi Nocola

I do know of the Insulin Index. It's not new.

The difference between proteins and carbs is that carbs raise both glucose
and insulin; proteins raise only insulin. This is because insulin is used as
the 'key' to the 'locks' on body cells to get most nutrients into cells, not
just glucose.

But the article you quoted has got it wrong. proteins do not raise insulin
as much as carbs. For example the Insulin Index of oatmeal is 40 whereas
lean beef is only half that at 21.

Regards

Barry
Author: Natural Health and Weight Loss

jeff · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject:

Thanks for posting that, Nicola.
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Karen · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

I see ya'll had a nice interesting conversation in my journal after i disappeared last time... LOL

Well..here i am again..back on Atkins as of last night. I went grocery shopping last night to get all my low carb food and i started.

Hubby and i quit smoking on Sept 13 and i seem to have taking up nibbling on food ALL DAY LONG ever since..its driving me crazy! I figure the rate i am going i will gain 50 lbs in a year if i dont do something. I figure nibbling on low carb food would be a better solution..atleast i wont be gaining. Blush

Glad to be back on the bus and happy to see ya'll too~! Happy

Start weight
273.8 lbs
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jeff · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:

Welcome back!!!
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Heather L · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject:

Karen- Nice to see you here. Congrats on quitting smoking. Awesome. I wish you well with fighting the nibbling. I am sure you will find ways to beat it.

Dean · Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:21 am Post subject:

Welcome back, Karen! Cool

Quitting smoking was the hardest thing I've ever done. I ate so much junk for several months after I quit, but, eventually found my way to paleo eating.

Are you doing the nicotine gum? That can help you to keep from eating all day. I used to suck on straws that I cut the size of a cig. I could inhale air, and hold the cut straw pieces between my fingers. Man, the hell I went through quitting, but, I'm clean for over 7 years now!

Karen, you guys should be very proud of yourselves for getting off the smoking. I know I've told you this before, but, I lost weight easily eating all the fruits and veggies I wanted along with meat. No dairy was the key to bringing down the calories. I may even adopt this strategy again. Munching on grapes and cherries is a lot better than munching on candy or chips. A lot less calories. Much easier to lose weight that way. I've been munching on pork rinds and sour cream, and my waistline aint goin' nowhere. Wink

Once I lose the weight I want to lose, I will try to focus on meat and eggs and limit the dairy. Until then, I think, if I need to, I will get some grapes or berries or something.

Good to see you again, Karen!

Sunny

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- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
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Heather · Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject:

I quit smoking eating junk food and chugging coffee with cream and sugar... I wish I knew about low/zero carb back then. Life would have been so much easier.
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Dean · Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

Happy New Year, Karen! Congrats

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Every day you'll see the dust
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Karen · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject:

well i am ready to go back to low carbing. i feel like absolute crap. i am sick of feeling this way. i havent gained any weight but i just am so lethargic and bloated and just ucky after quite a long time on the SAD diet. i havent been on ANY actual diet for many months ..just living and eating what i feel like..which is usually stuff that is FULL of carbs..

So here i am for the zillionth time..i really want to just go LC for life and be done with it..seriously....i am so sick of being so overweight. i can't even stand looking at myself in the mirror anymore!

i have to get through super bowl sunday and go grocery shopping first..so i plan on starting monday...not looking forward to that first 12 days...but i gotta do this! Sunny

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jeff · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject:

Karen is back on the Bus!!!
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Dean · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject:

Break out the Kool-Aid! Cool

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!

Dean · Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

Hey, Karen,

Why don't you join the February Challenge in the Ward? Cool

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about1529.html

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix

Every day you'll see the dust
Never get off the Bus!