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Heather L
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Dean- I am in for the Carnivore Contest. I know I may not be able to keep up with those who eat this way all the time,  but I am willing to give it my best shot.
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| Heather L wrote: | | Dean- I am in for the Carnivore Contest. I know I may not be able to keep up with those who eat this way all the time, but I am willing to give it my best shot. |
February Carnivore Contest
Chelsea...........0
Dean................0
Heather...........0
Heather L........0
jeff...................0
jem51..............0
Jeremy.............0
Kim..................0
Lana................0
Manaloa..........0
Red.................0
Rich.................0
Sassy..............0
slapdash.........0
Vesna.............0
wifezilla..........0
TOTAL.............0
 Heather!
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Erasmus
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OK. This one suckered me in after months of lurking. I figure I can get at least a 21, per the rules.
First Post!
-E
PS. AC sent me over, well, DROVE me over would be more accurate. |
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jeff
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| Erasmus wrote: | OK. This one suckered me in after months of lurking. I figure I can get at least a 21, per the rules.
First Post!
-E
PS. AC sent me over, well, DROVE me over would be more accurate. |
Hey, our first AC refugee!! Welcome, Erasmus. I think you'll find things much friendlier here. Glad you decided to jump aboard the bus.
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jem51
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| via AC, huh? this is exciting. we're having a wild ride so enjoy and HANG ON!! |
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Jude
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Sign me up, too.
I'm in desperate need of a clean LC break, and though this will be tough in my land of the cheerios-eating husband-unit, well, tough...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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OK... you're all signed up and ready to rock! 
February Carnivore Contest
Chelsea...........0
Dean...............0
Erasmus..........0
Heather...........0
Heather L........0
jeff...................0
jem51..............0
Jeremy.............0
Jude................0
Kim..................0
Lana................0
Manaloa..........0
Red.................0
Rich.................0
Sassy..............0
slapdash.........0
Vesna.............0
wifezilla..........0
TOTAL.............0
 Erasmus!
So, AC drove ya over here? I didn't think they allowed folks like him to drive.  I guess roid rage is alive and well, even on roller skates! 
Hey Jude, long time no see. Glad you decided to resurface and join the Contest. Should be a blast! 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| jude, i hope you'll update your 'pillow embroideries' occasionally. |
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Erasmus
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Thanks for the welcome.
Yeah AC is a hoot.  It's really kind of sad. I think he probably has a lot of good information and ideas. If he could only pull his head out long enough to open a dialog with the OTHER people who also have good information and ideas.
But enough about that soap opera...
I have questions about "the rules".
Not that I plan to use any, but what about stevia? Refined? Leaf only? Of course, who sweetens meat? 
Coconut: I get the part about no coconut FOOD, however a limited amount of, say, coconut curry, kind of falls into the VLC sauce category. Mind you, I'm talking about a couple of tablespoons on a steak, not a soup... until March anyway. 
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This is Dean's baby, but I'd think the sauce you described would be fine. The stevia might be a different story though. We'll see what Dean and the others say bout that.
You're right about AC. He does have alot of good info. It's just that his people skills are a bit lacking.
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| jem51 wrote: | | jude, i hope you'll update your 'pillow embroideries' occasionally. |
Sadly, only when I encounter another one that resonates as strongly within...
 
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I'm thinking the sauces fall into the seasoning category, i.e., NOT a coconut curry as a dish, but perhaps (as said) a curry sauce as a topping, seasoning or marinade, that couple of tablespoons perhaps being a maximum.
As for stevia (and other non-artificial sweeteners), well, that could get very interesting, as weekend-ly my DH and I have a dessert pact, and I can foresee a single serve lemon curd made with a TBSP of lemon juice, a couple of eggs and some non-intensive non-artificial sweeteners...I see those as legal, though not the LC ice cream I specialize in... (I better polish off that vanilla/chocolate swirl in the fridge) ...being an LC professional cook/personal chef has its interesting -- and dangerous -- side.
I can also foresee a few days where I may need to be more social, in a workplace manner of speaking, and ingest a salad with blue cheese dressing or some such; I would definitely knock those days off my Carnivorous February total. Too much vegetation and sauce.
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Personally, I would say no to sweeteners. They really aren't in the spirit of this exercise, you know? Plus, there is a lot of evidence that, although non-caloric, that they stimulate the same hormonal cascade as sugar does. Yes, even stevia.
But then, I'd also say no to seasonings. And CO and coffee. But I'm clearly in the minority there.
Really, this is just turning into what a lot of us already do, in terms of diet. I'm kind of losing the point of it. 
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I think if you have any type of ZC/VLC sauce, and you use it with utmost discretion, fine, it will be like Jude said, a seasoning. Leave it to your judgment. The Red Hot chicken wing sauce and Tabasco sauce both say ZC (that's zero carb and calorie).
| Red wrote: | | Personally, I would say no to sweeteners. They really aren't in the spirit of this exercise, you know? Plus, there is a lot of evidence that, although non-caloric, that they stimulate the same hormonal cascade as sugar does. Yes, even stevia. |
I agree with Red about the stevia. For the reasons she states, they aren't in the spirit of this Contest, nor in the rules (see the OP that says "no artificial sweeteners").
| Red wrote: | | But then, I'd also say no to seasonings. And CO and coffee. But I'm clearly in the minority there. |
And that is why I included seasonings and coffee, cuz I know how incredibly difficult it is to eat only plain meat. Did it for 15 days straight last April, just plain beef and pork, and only water to drink. It was way too hard, and talk about a minority position!
| Red wrote: | | Really, this is just turning into what a lot of us already do, in terms of diet. I'm kind of losing the point of it. |
We'll see, Red. I have a feeling that this WOE is not all that common. I really hope I'm wrong, and we have a huge TOTAL come March, but we shall see. That's why this is a Contest, a Challenge and an Experiment all rolled up into one.
And, as Jude said, there will be some days you just won't be able to tally up one for yourself (and the group). That's one of the purposes of this thread, to see how many total days we can all eat "modern carnivore", for lack of a better name.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| i think the list is pretty clear and if we continue to tweak it...well, we might as well quit before we start. i took seasoning to mean salt, pepper, dry rub kind of stuff. if we get into sauces other than pure hot sauce, we might as well add ketchup, mayo, bbq, etc. i'm a stevia user and already decided i would not use it on carnivore days. all the dairy allowed makes this a pretty do-able contest. |
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| Maybe we should look at the requirements of Steffanson's Bellevue experiment, the one where he ate only meat for a year. Consider that as a baseline, and maybe just add eggs and dairy to it. |
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wifezilla
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jem51
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| vesna, that would truly be a challenge. i know there's plenty written about that bellevue study, but does someone have a pretty precise list? |
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| jem51 wrote: | | i think the list is pretty clear and if we continue to tweak it...well, we might as well quit before we start. i took seasoning to mean salt, pepper, dry rub kind of stuff. if we get into sauces other than pure hot sauce, we might as well add ketchup, mayo, bbq, etc. i'm a stevia user and already decided i would not use it on carnivore days. all the dairy allowed makes this a pretty do-able contest. |
jem, these were my thoughts as well.
If you wanna take a look at another similar Challenge, go look at the April Zero Carb Challenge
http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/about602.html
It ended up with three levels, and in the end I think there was almost no participation.
I wanted this Feb Contest to be one people could actually do, but still have it be meaningful in jump starting VLC eating. It is amazing what getting away from certain foods will do for you. This will allow people to get away from the addictive and crazy foods they normally eat without even thinking about it. If someone wants to be more strict than this, they can. The main thing is, if they go 29 days on this WOE, they will be able to stick to an eating plan they can truly live with after that, no matter what small amount of "toxic treats" it contains. Doing that 15 days of plain beef and pork with water really helped me get further into my WOE. This carnivore contest is gonna help me get free of many things I have been wanting to ditch, like coconut, berries, half & half, etc. I hope it will help others accomplish similar goals.
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I'm going to be one of the strict ones (I hope). I do not do coffee so no dairy other than maybe a little cheese, and very few spices on my meat, and maybe some tabasco on eggs if I eat any. I'm ready!  |
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| wifezilla wrote: | Butter is nummy... Pork rinds dipped in sour cream?
Will...it isn't Feb yet. Still have time to think about it :D |
wifezilla,
You gave me an idea, and yesterday I picked up some sour cream and some pork rinds. I put a bunch of sour cream in a bowl tonight and I shook in a bunch of dashes of Tabasco sauce, stirred it up and used it as a dip for the pork rinds. mmmmmmmmmm good stuff!
Thanks for the suggestion.
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Erasmus
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I'm new to the board and new to these challenges. So just to be clear, for the purpose of THIS challenge, if, hypothetically, the bus is driving by a bar and I decide to hop off and have a drink, the bus will wait for me and not drive off?
We are going for total success days in Feb and not days till fail, right?
Some days just need a Caribbean holiday, mon.
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That's exactly right, E. Add up your individual days and add them in.
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Sunday I will be "off plan". I am not going to a Super Bowl party and staying sober! LOLOL
Today, no problems so far. :D Bacon and eggs for breakfast. I have some "emergency cheese" in the office fridge. I will be making wings tonight for dinner....yummmmm!
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| Erasmus wrote: | I'm new to the board and new to these challenges.
We are going for total success days in Feb and not days till fail, right?
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As Red said, any day during the 29 days of Feb that you eat "on plan" (spelled out in the opening post of this thread), then you can add a day to your count (and the TOTAL).
Just copy and paste the latest tally into a new post.
Add another day to the count for your row and the TOTAL row.
Then Submit the new tally.
February Carnivore Contest
Chelsea...........0
Dean...............0
Erasmus..........0
Heather...........0
Heather L........0
jeff...................0
jem51..............0
Jeremy.............0
Jude................0
Kim..................0
Lana................0
Manaloa..........0
Red.................0
Rich.................0
Sassy..............0
slapdash.........0
Vesna.............0
wifezilla..........0
TOTAL.............0
BTW, anyone can join this Contest at anytime during the month of Feb. This is just to see how many total days the Bus members eat this way during the month.
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| wifezilla wrote: | Sunday I will be "off plan". I am not going to a Super Bowl party and staying sober! LOLOL
Today, no problems so far. :D Bacon and eggs for breakfast. I have some "emergency cheese" in the office fridge. I will be making wings tonight for dinner....yummmmm! |
Starting a day early, Zilla? Kudos for your enthusiasm...unless you're over the international date line.... hmmmmmmmmmm.
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I am doing a warm-up :D
Anyone here in to the iChing?
"Will the carnivore challenge help me break my stall."
T'ung Jên / Fellowship with Men
The Judgement
Fellowship with Men in the open.
Success.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
The perseverance of the superior man furthers.
The Image
Heaven together with fire:
The image of Fellowship with Men.
Thus the superior man organizes the clans
And makes distinctions between things.
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| oh jeez, zilla. iching! barely left home w/o. that and tarot. i often thought i'd get back to it but just never had time. you just reminded me..... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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I just hope this line doesn't give Dean a swollen head..
"Thus the superior man organizes the clans
And makes distinctions between things."
LOL
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| wifezilla wrote: | I just hope this line doesn't give Dean a swollen head..
"Thus the superior man organizes the clans
And makes distinctions between things."
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Oh Hells Bells Zilla!!! We're going to need a whole new shipment of these just for him to respond to that!!!
Sassy
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