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Kim
Location: Boise, Idaho Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 217 Born: 8 May 1960 Gender: Female
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Grass Fed vs Corn Fed Meat |
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Based on recommendation from Dr. Eades, I just read the Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan. It's basically about a book about where our food comes from start to finish. For instance starting in the corn field to the grass fed cattle in the feed lots. It was a very interesting read and it makes me think twice that I should be eating grass fed meat instead of regular supermarket buys. It also talks about what all they make from corn and it seems like corn is in everything these days, even low carb sauces as a filler, preservative thickner, etc.
Kim
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Tracy

Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 16 Jan 2007 Posts: 285 Born: 10 May 1975 Gender: Female
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Your next stop - "Against the Grain - How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization" by Richard Manning. Interesting to note was how gov't nutritional advice is most often based around what's in surplus and therefore needs to be gotten rid of (ie: grains) _________________ www.fearandloathinginthekitchen.com |
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Daryl

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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Pollan's In Defense of Food is also quite good, even if I disagree with some of his thoughts.
As for grass fed vs grain/corn fed..... it seems like a good idea, but there is certainly a higher cost at the checkout counter, and sometimes, a loss in taste. |
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Trem

Location: Massachusetts Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 15 Born: 19 September 1986 Gender: Male
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I believe Bear mentioned that Grass-fed and Corn-fed have the same nutrition, just the only difference is taste and texture. _________________ 'If you don't watch the news, you are uninformed. If you do watch the news, you are misinformed.'
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Daryl

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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| He did seem to say so; even if there is a difference in the nutritional aspect of it, we have got to be so much better off, even with grain fed, as long as we don't screw around with the carbs. |
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Trem

Location: Massachusetts Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 15 Born: 19 September 1986 Gender: Male
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Yes, there really is a whirlwind of confusion about the topic though. There are plenty of sources that say grass-fed has more omega-3s and less saturated fat, which is probably garbage to try to get the low-fat fanatics on the beef bandwagon. Even www.biblelife.org says that grass-fed beef salesman exagerrate about this. _________________ 'If you don't watch the news, you are uninformed. If you do watch the news, you are misinformed.'
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Daryl

Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 14 Born: 20 October 1964 Gender: Male
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jem51
Location: south central OR Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 182 Born: 3 October 1951 Gender: Female
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| somewhere there was a study....the end result was that grass fed has a similar omega balance as wild (deer, i think). i think it was in the midwest...like maybe colorado. anyone?? |
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Kim
Location: Boise, Idaho Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 217 Born: 8 May 1960 Gender: Female
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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At are local farmer's market, there is a family that sells their own beef and it is grain feed beef, but they grow all their own feed. I might try some of that.
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Trem

Location: Massachusetts Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 15 Born: 19 September 1986 Gender: Male
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Kim wrote: | At are local farmer's market, there is a family that sells their own beef and it is grain feed beef, but they grow all their own feed. I might try some of that.
Kim |
Just curious, how is that price of that beef compared to normal supermarket beef? _________________ 'If you don't watch the news, you are uninformed. If you do watch the news, you are misinformed.'
-Mark Twain |
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kateryna

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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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How about this: I live in the middle of cattle country yet we only have grass about 6 months of the year (if we are lucky). The rest of the time we have cold and snow. Trying to get grass fed here is almost impossible and the prices are outrageous. So the only thing I can barely afford is organic, free range (and how free range are they when there's 6 feet of snow and it's 40 below zero) eggs.
And ordering things like meat over the internet just doesn't appeal to me. And since I don't have relatives who own a farm, I'm sticking to storr bought meats. Sometimes we just don't have a lot of choice. No whole foods or trader joe's here either. _________________ 237/222/137, Re-start: July 4, 2008
A positive attitude doesn't always solve all your problems, but it annoys enough people to make it worth the effort :P |
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Van

Location: Sausalito Ca. Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 24 Gender: Male
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: grass vs. grain fed beef |
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Trem,
I'm wondering if you've ever eaten raw fat. Raw fat that is golden yellow from cows eating for months on fresh green grass, the kind you walk in that's up to your knees, and then compare that fat to the pure white fat you get from grain fed cows or even cows eating brown, dry grass without any grain at all. The grass has to be green for the tests to show essential fatty acid profile differences. All extremely high omega three fats start from a food base high in chlorophyl. Find fat that looks deep yellow. Taste it, and then tell me you still believe there's no difference. I wish I could provide the raw materials for you. As we get older, it's more difficult to change our opinions about things we believe in. This includes Ken from Biblelife and Bear. |
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Dean

Location: Flyover Zone Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 4365 Born: 3 January 1960 Gender: Male
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:18 am Post subject: |
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If I had to choose which was healthier, I'd go with grass-fed, especially the stuff Van just described. That knee high grass. Yah, I'm gonna be looking into planting a lot of the native Kansas grass and raising lots of bison on it. No grains.
All that being said, it's really hard for lots of people to get grass-fed, so, the next best thing is grain-fed. Beats eating grains, I'm positive of that.  _________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
- Jimi Hendrix
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Daryl

Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 14 Born: 20 October 1964 Gender: Male
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jem51 wrote: | | somewhere there was a study....the end result was that grass fed has a similar omega balance as wild (deer, i think). i think it was in the midwest...like maybe colorado. anyone?? |
I'm not sure if this is it, but I found it interesting:
| Quote: | WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – Eat meat. That's the dietary advice given by a team of scientists who examined the dietary role of fat in a study that combined nutritional analysis with anthropologic research about the diets of ancient hunter-gatherer societies.
But there's a catch: To be as healthy as a cave man you have to eat certain kinds of fish, wild game such as venison, or grass-fed meat such as beef.
The research was conducted by Bruce Watkins, professor and university faculty scholar at Purdue University and director of the Center for Enhancing Foods to Protect Health, and anthropologist Loren Cordain, professor of health and exercise science at Colorado State University and author of "The Paleo Diet" (John Wiley & Sons, 2002). Watkins and Cordain conducted detailed chemical analysis of the meats people ate 10,000 years ago and compared those results to the most common meat people eat today. |
http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020204.Watkins.paleo.html |
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Trem

Location: Massachusetts Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 15 Born: 19 September 1986 Gender: Male
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Re: grass vs. grain fed beef |
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| Van wrote: | Trem,
I'm wondering if you've ever eaten raw fat. Raw fat that is golden yellow from cows eating for months on fresh green grass, the kind you walk in that's up to your knees, and then compare that fat to the pure white fat you get from grain fed cows or even cows eating brown, dry grass without any grain at all. The grass has to be green for the tests to show essential fatty acid profile differences. All extremely high omega three fats start from a food base high in chlorophyl. Find fat that looks deep yellow. Taste it, and then tell me you still believe there's no difference. I wish I could provide the raw materials for you. As we get older, it's more difficult to change our opinions about things we believe in. This includes Ken from Biblelife and Bear. |
Yes, I have tasted grass-fed tallow from www.grasslandbeef.com. It did taste a lot better, but how can we be sure that the fat profiles are different? I've also tasted raw milk from grass-fed cows and pastuerized milk from grain-fed cows and the taste was better for the raw milk - the farm said the fat profile was the same as normal milk. _________________ 'If you don't watch the news, you are uninformed. If you do watch the news, you are misinformed.'
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Kim
Location: Boise, Idaho Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 217 Born: 8 May 1960 Gender: Female
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| Trem wrote: | | Kim wrote: | At are local farmer's market, there is a family that sells their own beef and it is grain feed beef, but they grow all their own feed. I might try some of that.
Kim |
Just curious, how is that price of that beef compared to normal supermarket beef? |
It's a bit more expensive. I noticed today that hamburger was about 4.98 a pound and I saw some chuck steaks that I thought said about $7 a pound. It was really crowded today so I couldn't get a close as I would have liked.
Kim |
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Nicola

Location: Switzerland (Baden) Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 119 Born: 15 July 1967 Gender: Female
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